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Re: Tech companies declare war on hate speech and conservatives are worried

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Post by eighthnate »

The war on "hate speech", just like the war on "terror" is just a cover to take away and restrict rights.

Why did the media collectively declare war on "hate speech" the past few years - culminating in the absurd hit piece on pewdiepie?

Isn't it strange that all the establishment news organizations WSJ, NYTimes, WaPo, etc all went on a industry-wide campaign?

It had nothing to do with "hate speech". Neo-nazis, kkk, etc have always existed. It's about corralling social media and pressuring them to consolidate "news" around the established media.

It's easier to justify taking away your rights/free speech if you can say it is part of the war on "hate speech". Just like it is easier to get people to accept intrusive TSA if you tell them it's part of the war on "terror".

Just like war on "reds/communism/etc" allowed for rights of many to be abrogated by mccarthy. Or the war on drugs allowed for wholesale incarceration of minorities and the toppling of latin american governments.

Re: Tech companies declare war on hate speech and conservatives are worried

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Post by eighthnate »

Iv wrote: post #9

I say yes. Because you probably disagree with what most people will call hate speech. Criticism of religion, criticism of some historical events, is considered by some as hate speech. Ex-muslims routinely complain that youtube censors their videos criticizing islam. Videos of brutality (that often contains legal proofs of crimes) are removed if they are used by some hate groups, even if the intent of the recorder was…

This is what the "left/alt-left/whatever you want to call them" don't understand.

You may initially benefit from censorship because you are the initiators and the one's with the pull, but sooner or later, everyone else will start organizing.

When mormons/christian groups/conservatives/etc organize and start flagging atheist/lgbt youtubers/content and getting them taken down, are you going to celebrate censorship?

The beauty of free speech is that as long as everyone has it, you have it too. The problem with censorship is if you can censor, then so can others.

Fine. You don't like hateful racist speech. Ban it. But others don't like hateful atheist/lgbt/etc speech either.

I'd rather live in a free speech world with "hate" than a censored world without "hate".

Re: Tech companies declare war on hate speech and conservatives are worried

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Post by gscott »

notzorbo3 wrote: post #39
gscott wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most communist countries kill those that disagree with them, for the common good they say. If you fully embrace communist values then you need to rid yourselves of those that don't agree otherwise you are not going to be able to create a perfect society.

And in a society adopting capitalism the Bourgeoisie must violently suppress the proletariat otherwise you're not going to be able to create that perfect society.

In the United States most people did not come here already rich and they had to trade among each other to survive. Everywhere communism touches has problems. In Britain check peoples teeth they are a nice color yellow, in Canada you can wait for months for medical care, in Russia you need to bribe the doctor to get medical care, in Venezuela you need to travel to a neighboring country to get food, in Cuba you earn $25 a month, in Mexico no one can own guns except for the drug gangs that rule cities....

All so that people can be equal... equally screwed that is.

Re: Tech companies declare war on hate speech and conservatives are worried

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Post by weberc2 »

s_kilk wrote: post #40
weberc2 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't "kill the dissenters" seem to be the flavor of most communist countries? China, N Korea, Cuba, Cambodia, Romania, Vietnam, etc.

Right, and capitalism is completely bloodless and clean /s

Here's the comprehensive list of capitalist countries that wiped out 50 million of their own citizens in a couple decades:

Glad we cleared that up.

Re: Tech companies declare war on hate speech and conservatives are worried

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Post by dashundchen »

hegojuko wrote: post #23
ubernostrum wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Several places in Europe have so far failed to empirically verify your hypothesis after passing laws to ban certain types of extremist (i.e., Nazi) speech and symbols.

Really because I see people in Britain, France, and Germany being arrested for anti Islamic sentiment expressed on social Media. It isn't just nazi speech that's criminalised, more and more speech is added to the list of what cannot be said. Soon it will be any speech critical of the government, aka living in a totalitarian regeim.

Sources, please on Germany, or any of those countries where somebody has been arrested simply for being against Islam.

Re: Tech companies declare war on hate speech and conservatives are worried

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Post by Caveman_Coder »

cgb223 wrote: post #32
hegojuko wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really because I see people in Britain, France, and Germany being arrested for anti Islamic sentiment expressed on social Media. It isn't just nazi speech that's criminalised, more and more speech is added to the list of what cannot be said. Soon it will be any speech critical of the government, aka living in a totalitarian regeim.

Wasn't there some guy in the U.K. Who was investigated by the police for tweeting something vaguely homophobic?

Yes.

https://www.theverge.com/2016/3/24/11297128/matthew-doyle-ar...

"A man in the UK has been arrested on charges of inciting racial hatred on social media, after he tweeted about asking a Muslim woman to "explain" the terror attacks in Brussels. As The Guardian reports, London's Metropolitan Police on Wednesday arrested a 46-year-old man believed to be Matthew Doyle, a partner at a London PR agency."

Re: Tech companies declare war on hate speech and conservatives are worried

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Post by briantakita »

2_listerine_pls wrote: post #18
Iv wrote: post #9

I say yes. Because you probably disagree with what most people will call hate speech. Criticism of religion, criticism of some historical events, is considered by some as hate speech. Ex-muslims routinely complain that youtube censors their videos criticizing islam. Videos of brutality (that often contains legal proofs of crimes) are removed if they are used by some hate groups, even if the intent of the recorder was…

It's interesting to see these censorship trends come up after trigger events: -war on fake news -war on hate speech

Problem/Reaction/Solution

Re: Tech companies declare war on hate speech and conservatives are worried

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Post by brylie »

briantakita wrote: post #47
2_listerine_pls wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's interesting to see these censorship trends come up after trigger events: -war on fake news -war on hate speech

Problem/Reaction/Solution

"Now you have two problems."

Re: Tech companies declare war on hate speech and conservatives are worried

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Post by mnm1 »

mambodog wrote: post #19
cgb223 wrote: post #12

One of the things that bothers me about recent censorship on hate speech is how selective, and how inconsistently it's applied, if it is to be applied at all. My grandfather escaped the Soviet Union. Stalin's regime killed all of his siblings. All of them. But yet when I check YouTube, Twitter, and so on I see lots of videos professing communisms values. Hell I've seen a pro-communist march in a city I recently moved…

Hold on. I'm not a fan of Communism, but there's a pretty clear difference. The Soviet Union was a particular implementation of Communism which chose killing. Killing is not an inherent requirement to the ideology. Contemporary proponents of Communism or Socialism usually aren't claiming that the Soviet Union's implementation was good. In Neo-Nazism the ideology itself has the elimination of other races as its goal.…

Killing is indeed an inherent requirement of communism. That's the only way to gain and hold such authoritarian power and to subjugate the masses as communism does. There has never been a communist regime that did not kill large numbers of people and that's because this is an inherent quality of communism without which it cannot come to or hold power.
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