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Putin: Leader in artificial intelligence will rule world

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Re: Putin: Leader in artificial intelligence will rule world

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

He doesn't need to be a computer expert to recognize a force multiplier when he sees one.

I doubt very much that he understands, even in the most basic terms, what any of this is about. Nor does he really care about any of it. Source: am a Russian-American, with a pretty good understanding of what's going on over there.

It's a very fair point. Question however: is there a leader on the planet that has a greater, almost intuitive sense about threats to their position of power than Putin? Who would that be?

Authoritarian survivors like him tend to have an extremely well tuned grasp of threats to their power. Whether those are technology based or people, and whether they are domestic or foreign based. The small group of people running the CCP are similarly competent at spotting such threats, regardless of their understanding of technology. Most of the politicians that have supported the great firewall over the years, very likely had a limited understanding of the technology involved. They didn't need to understand the technology at an intimate level, they understood some of what it could enable, they understood the potential threat to their power. These people develop an almost sixth sense about it, they spend their entire lives cultivating that awareness as a means of survival and promotion.

Re: Putin: Leader in artificial intelligence will rule world

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In another piece of news: China to add AI courses in primary education https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15154289 Where does the US stand? Any serious plans by its leaders and the government?

I'm a Chinese. I wounder how China would carry it out.

From my experience with my elementary && high school teacher, I can safely assume that they can't even program a complex stuff, let alone understand what AI is.

It could be really interesting to see my future son/daughter ask me something I'm also interested in and probably working on.

Re: Putin: Leader in artificial intelligence will rule world

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt very much that he understands, even in the most basic terms, what any of this is about. Nor does he really care about any of it. Source: am a Russian-American, with a pretty good understanding of what's going on over there.

It's a very fair point. Question however: is there a leader on the planet that has a greater, almost intuitive sense about threats to their position of power than Putin? Who would that be? Authoritarian survivors like him tend to have an extremely well tuned grasp of threats to their power. Whether those are technology based or people, and whether they are domestic or foreign based. The small group of people running…

None of this is a threat to his survival, or indeed to Russia's survival. When you have nukes and the means to deliver them anywhere on the globe in 9 minutes, you don't have to care about aggression from other countries.

The biggest (and only) threat to Putin's survival is a coup.

Re: Putin: Leader in artificial intelligence will rule world

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In another piece of news: China to add AI courses in primary education https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15154289 Where does the US stand? Any serious plans by its leaders and the government?

> Where does the US stand? Any serious plans by leaders and the government?

The US Government does not need to mandate student course on artificial intelligence. Just as they did not need to mandate courses on the transistor, micro-processor, dozens of programming languages, html, TCP/IP, or how to be a database admin.

Tensorflow (prev DistBelief) - which helped provide the spark for this AI boom - was not derived from a command & control method, a dictate handed down by Donald Trump & Co. or Obama's Administration. It's a hilariously laughable premise.

Re: Putin: Leader in artificial intelligence will rule world

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Dude is 64 years old, and was never seen using a computer. Give him a break on this one, he's likely just parroting Medvedev, who in turn is parroting one of his distant underlings.

You think Putin parrots Medvedev? I think you're got it backwards.

But either way, it's more likely he's "parroting" secret U.S. military plans that his spies obtained for him.

This is almost certainly what our military is planning and he almost certainly knows it.

Re: Putin: Leader in artificial intelligence will rule world

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Don't get me wrong, I fully subscribe to the school of thought that he's a murderer, but honestly, drones fighting drones sounds pretty good.

It terms of life saved, I totally agree.

In terms of social progress, this causes a big problem: military power, until now, depended in big parts on having military people on your side. So sure, they can be corrupt, swayed by a more or less evil ideology or just plain racist, but in order to be a leader, you needed to at least satisfy a big group of people. And it was easier if it were the majority.

Automated warfare makes war and military power purely capital-based. That just seem wrong.

And also, do you really think that drones will be solely used on other peoples' drones?

Re: Putin: Leader in artificial intelligence will rule world

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt very much that he understands, even in the most basic terms, what any of this is about. Nor does he really care about any of it. Source: am a Russian-American, with a pretty good understanding of what's going on over there.

It's a very fair point. Question however: is there a leader on the planet that has a greater, almost intuitive sense about threats to their position of power than Putin? Who would that be? Authoritarian survivors like him tend to have an extremely well tuned grasp of threats to their power. Whether those are technology based or people, and whether they are domestic or foreign based. The small group of people running…

>Question however: is there a leader on the planet that has a greater, almost intuitive sense about threats to their position of power than Putin? Who would that be?

Kim Jung-un?

Re: Putin: Leader in artificial intelligence will rule world

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post #26
post #4

Dude is 64 years old, and was never seen using a computer. Give him a break on this one, he's likely just parroting Medvedev, who in turn is parroting one of his distant underlings.

You think Putin parrots Medvedev? I think you're got it backwards. But either way, it's more likely he's "parroting" secret U.S. military plans that his spies obtained for him. This is almost certainly what our military is planning and he almost certainly knows it.

When it comes to tech, totally. They are personally close and Medvedev is a known technophile and Apple fanboy. This is probably something they talked about over tea at Putin's government dacha a few days before.

Re: Putin: Leader in artificial intelligence will rule world

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post #13

Don't get me wrong, I fully subscribe to the school of thought that he's a murderer, but honestly, drones fighting drones sounds pretty good.

This reminds me of an episode called "A Taste of Armageddon" from that documentary called "Star Trek." As long as we don't have to go into "disintegration booths" then I agree :-)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Taste_of_Armageddon

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