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Re: Juicero Is Shutting Down

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There's absolutely no reason why everyone who wants one shouldn't have a static block of IP(v6) addresses. If they're hard to get, that's an ISP problem rather than anything else.

Most mobile providers don't offer IPv6

I think it's the opposite. Mobile operators have higher IPv6 adoption.

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The AvE teardown mentioned this. It does give you uniform force across the entire work surface, which is theoretically superior, but I think it's a case where a 5% improvement in results does not warrant 75% increase in BOM cost and design, at least in v1 of a relatively virgin market (if the market were flooded with roller systems, you could possibly differentiate with a press based 1.0, but no need to do that out t…

There is nothing complicated about squeezing something out of a bag with with uniform pressure. The book press / screw press has existed since the first century AD. Here is a 'juicero' that you can fill with whatever chopped fruit you want and get the same/better results: https://www.amazon.com/Fruit-Press-Italian-Stainless-Brewcra...

Oh but does it have the food DRM that forces you to buy all your fruits from one company in overpriced bags?

Re: Juicero Is Shutting Down

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> keeps you from cooking with rotten food If only we had some kind of olfactory or optical equipment stuck on the front of our faces that could help determine the rottenness or mouldiness of food. Failing that, perhaps producers of packaged food could use some kind of common standard system to inform consumers of the date by which the food should be used by, or before which it might be at its best.

Your point is valid, but recently here in Canada there was a recall on contaminated flour. Can't remember if it was anthrax or E Coli. Your eyes/nose won't pick up bacteria in the flour.

> Can't remember if it was anthrax or E Coli.

You'd remember if it was anthrax.

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Even if the machine was $50, I don't think many people would want to spend that much for the privilege of being locked in to Juicero proprietary juice packs, letalone spend kitchen counter space to a dedicated juice squeezer machine. And everyone who did now has an exquisitely engineered $700 paperweight.

Ultra expensive juicers aren't new[1]. Even "normal" juicers are quite expensive[2]. Juicero was just trying to jump on a fairly well-established gravy train catering to the juice woo crowd. [1]: https://www.acemart.com/equipment/beverage/juicers/zumex-ess... [2]: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01EXF4PLC/

Has there ever been a juicer before this that has forced you to buy all your fruits from one company? I think that's the key. People are ready to pay big bucks for premium appliances, but lock-in is another matter.

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Meanwhile, the Chinese clone with what is likely a very similar mechanism, but no DRM or other IoT crap, seems to be still alive: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1793272089/juisir-juici... ...and Juicero even tried to sue them a few months ago: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/04/juice-wars-juice...

At least some people have common sense. This is so much better!

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It's like... 70% fresh squeezed. The fruit is chopped up into smaller pieces, so for the most part there isn't much difference, and it is very new fruit. But to the target demographic 70% might as well be 0%.

Once you cut open fruit and vegetables, the elements and bacteria are introduced and they start to break down.

ggggp's whole point was it was going to compete with fresh squeezed. this whole discussion is how this isn't "fresh" in anyway. Unless FOJC is also fresh.

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I don't want any appliance like that either, and I find the Kuerig coffee maker appalling. That said, Kuerig sells many of their machines, and many people like and use them. That fact is very strong evidence that there is a strong market for this type of product if it is done correctly. In other words, people do want this kind of product.

At the right price point, probably. On demand juice for $2-$3/serving? Nope. We use kcups at the coworking space here, and at 30-35c, they're worth the convenience. 60c? $1? Nope - we'll just brew a big pot. But... we can get kcups from dozens of vendors with various flavors and price points. If a juicer machine had low price points (original machine and packs) that were available from multiple vendors... yeah, I'd g…

Kcups leech BPS, which I've heard is problematic similarly to BPA (about which opinions vary).

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interestingly enough much of Houston had running electricity the whole time. We have an office downtown that flooded and never went to backup power and the datacenters stayed on the mains as well.

Yes, it's been incredible. My ATT fiber has been ROCK solid and not dropped a byte as far as I can tell. I've been working from home all week, and we had electricity and internet right through the storm. That's with 3 feet of water in the street outside.

I'm sure it has dropped many many bytes of data, it's just that the other layers of IP and TCP covered for it. Just like every internet connection.

But that's pretty cool they handled it.

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It is a shame that Juicero could not develop a product with a lower price point that could reach a much broader marketplace. With the initial price point they should have clearly seen that their customer pool was going to be smaller than that of a lower cost product. It seems that they did not have enough time and money to right their ship. It is sad to see a dream die even if you don't agree with the product or busi…

I don't think it's about price really. People pay $700 for all sorts of high quality kitchen appliances. But all that was good about the machine was offset by the lock-in, stupid pre-pulped juice packs, DRM, always-on internet, and other user-hostile stuff.

You're right that people may have been able to stomach all that 1984 stuff if the price was low.

Re: Juicero Is Shutting Down

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The thing i'm curious about: why did this raise $120M? And how much has already been spent, on what ???

I could be extremely wrong about this, but I doubt they've spent the majority of that money. I think they're likely to be giving it back to avoid shareholder unpleasantness and seeking a buyer to try to neutralize the overall outcome. They raised $98m of the money in the last 18 months, I would bet 2/3rds of that is still there if not more.
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