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Re: Lu Ban's axe and working with your Chinese suppliers

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Post by fiblye »

wanderingjew wrote: post #39
timaz wrote: post #21

I can't believe how far the electrical engineer ghostwriter has taken this online persona. If anyone's ever been to the hacker meetups in ShenZhen when "Naomi Wu" first started making these videos, you'd see someone lurking in the corner. It's getting kind of ridiculous where this guy gets Patreon every month now.. [0]: http://sexycyborgisaliar.blogspot.com/2017/05/naomi-sexy-cyb...

Just so everyone is aware, the argument that blog post makes is extremely tenuous at best, and blatant disinformation at its worst. The argument is, basically, 'someone on reddit was doing stuff in China, then stopped a few years ago. A few years ago, Naomi Wu a.k.a SexyCyborg started using reddit.' Here's that same argument again: Isaac Asimov wrote a lot of stuff, then he stopped. Around the same time he stopped, I…

Christ, none of the issue is with women using tools. It's everything but that. The blog post's focus is clearly that someone as apparently young and busy as this isn't merely a jack of all trades, but a master. Gender isn't what is making people stop and think here.

>I'm just going to tell you, OP, and everyone who agrees with you right now: fuck off.

This kind of debate shutdown is better suited to Facebook political groups, not HN.

Re: Lu Ban's axe and working with your Chinese suppliers

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Post by crush-n-spread »

wanderingjew wrote: post #47
theli0nheart wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm just going to tell you, OP, and everyone who agrees with you right now: fuck off. There's nothing inexplicable about a woman being able to use tools. The fact that your comment was voted up to the top in this Hacker News submission says a lot about Hacker News itself. Go feel shame, because you deserve it. Regardless of what your opinion is of anyone on this forum, using profanity is inappropriate and uncalled…

A comment that suggests women can't use tools gets upvoted to the top, but saying 'fuck off' is inappropriate. Get Wired or Vice or Gizmodo on the line, we got some Internet Drama™ brewin' here!

The comment suggests that Naomi Wu is a front for another engineer's work, and that it is insincere. It doesn't suggest that women cannot use tools.

Re: Lu Ban's axe and working with your Chinese suppliers

#53

Post by Animats »

owebmaster wrote: post #8
ajross wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely it's not true everywhere. Most of us have known plenty of Chinese engineers who are unafraid to report bugs and suggest solutions. But in the broad sense you mean: yeah, kinda. Chinese companies (in the PRC in particular of course, but also outfits the stem from Hong Kong and Taiwan) tend not to be particularly innovative. It's a lagging market, filled with well-implemented but fundamentally cloned products fi…

> but there are no chinese Googles or Samsungs There is no american or european WeChat.

Which is surprising. There's DoCoMo in Japan, but they're a phone company. WeChat didn't have that edge. Facebook could go that way if they wanted, but they haven't.

Re: Lu Ban's axe and working with your Chinese suppliers

#54

Post by aidenn0 »

booleandilemma wrote: post #24

Since we are on the topic of idiom, this one rings true: “The nail that sticks out gets hammered down”. Unless you’re the boss of the company you rarely stand to profit from problem solving or creative thinking — and usually speaking up will be detrimental to you in some way. Are American companies that different? The few places I've worked software engineers didn't get bonuses, only the people in sales did. Software…

It varies a lot; I've met SWEs that tripled their pay by switching jobs.

My starting pay was more than double that of someone of similar talent to myself who ended up at a different company.

My lowest offer coming out of college was a $30k 1 year contract in 2005. Needless to say I didn't accept that one.

Re: Lu Ban's axe and working with your Chinese suppliers

#55

Post by krastanov »

gertef wrote: post #45
krastanov wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article you linked to certainly raises an eyebrow, but it is far from a definite proof that her persona is fake... And it uses a bit too much slut-shaming in it (maybe not by puritan standards?).

When the original character is promoting themself as a slut to get undue attention to engineering work, slut-shaming is in scope.

And if I promote myself as a Star Trek fan to bring attention to my engineering work, nerd-shaming is also in scope. Or a body-builder programmer shamed for being a "bro" by us nerds. Why do we need to shame each other about our quirks? (as long as those quirks do no harm, but as far as I know, Sexy Cyborg does not flaunt herself around kindergartens)

Re: Lu Ban's axe and working with your Chinese suppliers

#56

Post by jps359 »

timaz wrote: post #21

I can't believe how far the electrical engineer ghostwriter has taken this online persona. If anyone's ever been to the hacker meetups in ShenZhen when "Naomi Wu" first started making these videos, you'd see someone lurking in the corner. It's getting kind of ridiculous where this guy gets Patreon every month now.. [0]: http://sexycyborgisaliar.blogspot.com/2017/05/naomi-sexy-cyb...

Is this your blog or is it a coincidence that your hn username is the same as the 'chinese 3d-printing expert' from the article? It's not really that unbelievable that there's a woman who's capable of using tools and building the things that she wears... Whoever wrote this blog is either really close to the subject or has a very unhealthy obsession.

Re: Lu Ban's axe and working with your Chinese suppliers

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Post by Giorgi »

wanderingjew wrote: post #39
timaz wrote: post #21

I can't believe how far the electrical engineer ghostwriter has taken this online persona. If anyone's ever been to the hacker meetups in ShenZhen when "Naomi Wu" first started making these videos, you'd see someone lurking in the corner. It's getting kind of ridiculous where this guy gets Patreon every month now.. [0]: http://sexycyborgisaliar.blogspot.com/2017/05/naomi-sexy-cyb...

Just so everyone is aware, the argument that blog post makes is extremely tenuous at best, and blatant disinformation at its worst. The argument is, basically, 'someone on reddit was doing stuff in China, then stopped a few years ago. A few years ago, Naomi Wu a.k.a SexyCyborg started using reddit.' Here's that same argument again: Isaac Asimov wrote a lot of stuff, then he stopped. Around the same time he stopped, I…

Hmm, I was skeptical after reading the article, but after your white-knight butt hurt comment, I am inclined to believe it was truth.

What an asshole.

Re: Lu Ban's axe and working with your Chinese suppliers

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Post by grzm »

jps359 wrote: post #56
timaz wrote: post #21

I can't believe how far the electrical engineer ghostwriter has taken this online persona. If anyone's ever been to the hacker meetups in ShenZhen when "Naomi Wu" first started making these videos, you'd see someone lurking in the corner. It's getting kind of ridiculous where this guy gets Patreon every month now.. [0]: http://sexycyborgisaliar.blogspot.com/2017/05/naomi-sexy-cyb...

Is this your blog or is it a coincidence that your hn username is the same as the 'chinese 3d-printing expert' from the article? It's not really that unbelievable that there's a woman who's capable of using tools and building the things that she wears... Whoever wrote this blog is either really close to the subject or has a very unhealthy obsession.

'timaz answers this elsewhere in this thread:

> I'm not the owner of that blog.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15152905

Re: Lu Ban's axe and working with your Chinese suppliers

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Post by yorwba »

wanderingjew wrote: post #39
timaz wrote: post #21

I can't believe how far the electrical engineer ghostwriter has taken this online persona. If anyone's ever been to the hacker meetups in ShenZhen when "Naomi Wu" first started making these videos, you'd see someone lurking in the corner. It's getting kind of ridiculous where this guy gets Patreon every month now.. [0]: http://sexycyborgisaliar.blogspot.com/2017/05/naomi-sexy-cyb...

Just so everyone is aware, the argument that blog post makes is extremely tenuous at best, and blatant disinformation at its worst. The argument is, basically, 'someone on reddit was doing stuff in China, then stopped a few years ago. A few years ago, Naomi Wu a.k.a SexyCyborg started using reddit.' Here's that same argument again: Isaac Asimov wrote a lot of stuff, then he stopped. Around the same time he stopped, I…

I don't know why you think that Hackaday is blocked in China, since I read the article just fine on a filtered connection. (As opposed to the Blogspot post, which I won't bother firing up a VPN for.)

Of course the blocks don't always stay the same, and sometimes they depend on your internet provider, but from my point of view, it seems like you haven't stirred the ire of the regime yet.

Re: Lu Ban's axe and working with your Chinese suppliers

#60

Post by zangiku »

Interesting to see the _very_ strong parallels to Japanese culture here.

For everyone arguing about whether this is true of all Chinese culture, of course there is innovative thinking in China, Wu is simply pointing out that in places where people aren't getting paid to innovate but rather are there to do a 9-5 job, there is little (and, in many cases, negative) incentive culturally to think outside the box and push the envelope. Don't expect that your contractor is going to go the extra mile for you. Getting specifications right and driving the production process are on you.

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