U.S. Employers Struggle to Match Workers with Open Jobs

Post by [deleted] » Fri, Sep 01, 2017, 8:17 PM UTC

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The latter, hands down. I quit college to startup an IT support company, and despite going back in spurts, never finished. I got quite a few jobs after I left the startup though, and in retrospect I think the primary factor that got me those jobs, despite my many years of expertise, was the fact that since I didn't have a degree they could pay me less vs most of the other candidates. The most recent one, that promise…

> They are trying to find the edge case that can still get the job done but that they can also underpay so they have more money for the company/execs That would be people eternally stuck in the Green Card queue.

Post by vibrato » Fri, Sep 01, 2017, 8:19 PM UTC

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I feel like there's two tiers of the software industry: those employable at AmaFaceGoogFlix or a competitor, and everyone else; but the "everyone else" is completely unaware that the first tier exists. It's like if minor league baseball had no idea about major league baseball. You even see it on HN. Someone will come along and talk about how a senior dev at Google can expect $250k a year. You'll get two categories of…

> I know it's considered bad negotiation it's not. the more assertive you are with your compensation requirements, the more likely you are to get paid what you want. i don't know where this crazy idea of "don't tell anyone what you want to be paid" came from, it sounds like some real amateur hour nonsense that will get you passed up in favor of someone who is more straight forward with the entire process. imagine try…

Post by xyzzyz » Fri, Sep 01, 2017, 8:22 PM UTC

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I don't know a single person at Google who makes less than $180k in total comp, and that includes new grads. If you are more senior in any way (e.g. graduated college 2 years ago instead of just now), you're looking at >$200-220k, and if you're actually Senior Software Engineer, you're looking at $250-300+k total comp in a year. Really, don't let the base salary numbers fool you. RSUs is where it's at.

> I don't know a single person at Google who makes less than $180k in total comp, and that includes new grads. I assume this is MTV/SVL/SFO/NYC? I'm sure you can find new grads who make less than that in other offices. At least I make less than that as an L3 in SEA

Post by humanrebar » Fri, Sep 01, 2017, 8:25 PM UTC

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But maybe the job isn't economically worth it at the higher salary? You seem to be assuming it's worth doing at any price, as does the article, and that's untrue. Besides, I don't know about others, but I've recently put out multiple job ads for one vacancy. Our app, Noctacam, uses computational photography to take great photos at night. I was looking for someone with computational photography knowledge and/or iOS. A…

This is a great point. One can think of a job posting as a bid on the market. Not every bid results in trade. Similarly, not every job posting is a job, like your example demonstrated.

Post by icebraining » Fri, Sep 01, 2017, 8:29 PM UTC

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Six months ago, I was making about 1/6 of that working as a software developer, and I wasn't badly paid for the area. I'm pretty sure most of my colleagues would sign up for that in five minutes.

I'm assuming you mean 1/6 of $150k (150k was salary plus benefits, the salary was only 100k). 25k is very badly paid for any area in the US (outside of a few territories) as a software developer. If you're not in the US, then obviously that changes things.