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U.S. Employers Struggle to Match Workers with Open Jobs

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Re: U.S. Employers Struggle to Match Workers with Open Jobs

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Post by notalaser »

kartickv wrote: post #38
jdhn wrote: post #22

"They're just asking for the moon, and not expecting to pay very much for it," Cappelli says. "And as a result they [can't] find those people. Now that [doesn't] mean there was nobody to do the job; it just [means] that there was nobody at the price they were willing to pay." In my opinion, this is the key paragraph in the article. I see this all the time when recruiters send me job postings, and they want someone wi…

But maybe the job isn't economically worth it at the higher salary? You seem to be assuming it's worth doing at any price, as does the article, and that's untrue. Besides, I don't know about others, but I've recently put out multiple job ads for one vacancy. Our app, Noctacam, uses computational photography to take great photos at night. I was looking for someone with computational photography knowledge and/or iOS. A…

> But maybe the job isn't economically worth it at the higher salary?

As in, their business doesn't even generate enough revenue to afford hiring the kind of people who can keep it running?

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Post by tim333 »

notyourday wrote: post #32

Pay. More. Money. There, I solved it for every single one of the "struggling" employers. Money is a proxy for everything .

Though with unemployment around 4.3% you may be paying up for mediocre employees you are then stuck with for a long time.

Re: U.S. Employers Struggle to Match Workers with Open Jobs

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Post by havetocharge »

kartickv wrote: post #38
jdhn wrote: post #22

"They're just asking for the moon, and not expecting to pay very much for it," Cappelli says. "And as a result they [can't] find those people. Now that [doesn't] mean there was nobody to do the job; it just [means] that there was nobody at the price they were willing to pay." In my opinion, this is the key paragraph in the article. I see this all the time when recruiters send me job postings, and they want someone wi…

But maybe the job isn't economically worth it at the higher salary? You seem to be assuming it's worth doing at any price, as does the article, and that's untrue. Besides, I don't know about others, but I've recently put out multiple job ads for one vacancy. Our app, Noctacam, uses computational photography to take great photos at night. I was looking for someone with computational photography knowledge and/or iOS. A…

This is a great point. One can think of a job posting as a bid on the market. Not every bid results in trade. Similarly, not every job posting is a job, like your example demonstrated.

Re: U.S. Employers Struggle to Match Workers with Open Jobs

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Post by stult »

jdhn wrote: post #22

"They're just asking for the moon, and not expecting to pay very much for it," Cappelli says. "And as a result they [can't] find those people. Now that [doesn't] mean there was nobody to do the job; it just [means] that there was nobody at the price they were willing to pay." In my opinion, this is the key paragraph in the article. I see this all the time when recruiters send me job postings, and they want someone wi…

I wonder if this is a hangover from the recession. Hiring managers expectations have been anchored to market conditions that simply don't exist anymore but which lasted so long that no one in hiring recognizes the issue.

Re: U.S. Employers Struggle to Match Workers with Open Jobs

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Post by lotsofpulp »

ComradeTaco wrote: post #9
fiblye wrote: post #4

To sum up the article, businesses are making ridiculous demands and expecting to pay prospective employees marginally above nothing. Aside from the people posting these job ads, nobody is really surprised.

Don't forget the steady reduction of benefits in addition to a base pay. I've spent time at fortune 500 engineering firms where the annual deductible for health insurance was $8,000.

That's a good thing. Non-cash or non-equity remuneration needs to be separated from employers and employees. It will help employees not be beholden to the employer, help comparing different offers easier, and help smaller employers compete with larger employers by leveling the advantage larger employers have from huge HR departments.

Re: U.S. Employers Struggle to Match Workers with Open Jobs

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Post by Nursie »

jdhn wrote: post #22

"They're just asking for the moon, and not expecting to pay very much for it," Cappelli says. "And as a result they [can't] find those people. Now that [doesn't] mean there was nobody to do the job; it just [means] that there was nobody at the price they were willing to pay." In my opinion, this is the key paragraph in the article. I see this all the time when recruiters send me job postings, and they want someone wi…

Yup, see this all the time in the UK.

Businesses complain they can't find the skills they need, but what they mean is they can't the skills they need for a derisory price. Particularly in the UK there seems little appteciation that software is a valuable thing, created by professionals. Too often the MBA types consider it just another form of generic office work, and seek to pay in line with that. Then they wonder why the technical departments they put together are so incompetent...

Re: U.S. Employers Struggle to Match Workers with Open Jobs

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Post by maxsilver »

kartickv wrote: post #38
jdhn wrote: post #22

"They're just asking for the moon, and not expecting to pay very much for it," Cappelli says. "And as a result they [can't] find those people. Now that [doesn't] mean there was nobody to do the job; it just [means] that there was nobody at the price they were willing to pay." In my opinion, this is the key paragraph in the article. I see this all the time when recruiters send me job postings, and they want someone wi…

But maybe the job isn't economically worth it at the higher salary? You seem to be assuming it's worth doing at any price, as does the article, and that's untrue. Besides, I don't know about others, but I've recently put out multiple job ads for one vacancy. Our app, Noctacam, uses computational photography to take great photos at night. I was looking for someone with computational photography knowledge and/or iOS. A…

> I found it convenient to post three job ads, so that I can clearly organise the dozens of applicants based on their skills. Two of them went unfulfilled. Which is exactly as was intended.

I always wondered why 50% of job listings were totally fake. "Selfish hiring practices" being the reason makes a lot more sense than "appearance of growth" that usually gets stated.

Re: U.S. Employers Struggle to Match Workers with Open Jobs

#48

Post by notyourday »

tim333 wrote: post #42
notyourday wrote: post #32

Pay. More. Money. There, I solved it for every single one of the "struggling" employers. Money is a proxy for everything .

Though with unemployment around 4.3% you may be paying up for mediocre employees you are then stuck with for a long time.

That's simply pay inflation.

Re: U.S. Employers Struggle to Match Workers with Open Jobs

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Post by quantumhobbit »

tim333 wrote: post #42
notyourday wrote: post #32

Pay. More. Money. There, I solved it for every single one of the "struggling" employers. Money is a proxy for everything .

Though with unemployment around 4.3% you may be paying up for mediocre employees you are then stuck with for a long time.

If you want better than mediocre employees then guess what the solution is? More money!

Although mediocre employees can often become great employees with some training and coaching.

Re: U.S. Employers Struggle to Match Workers with Open Jobs

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Post by owebmaster »

kartickv wrote: post #38
jdhn wrote: post #22

"They're just asking for the moon, and not expecting to pay very much for it," Cappelli says. "And as a result they [can't] find those people. Now that [doesn't] mean there was nobody to do the job; it just [means] that there was nobody at the price they were willing to pay." In my opinion, this is the key paragraph in the article. I see this all the time when recruiters send me job postings, and they want someone wi…

But maybe the job isn't economically worth it at the higher salary? You seem to be assuming it's worth doing at any price, as does the article, and that's untrue. Besides, I don't know about others, but I've recently put out multiple job ads for one vacancy. Our app, Noctacam, uses computational photography to take great photos at night. I was looking for someone with computational photography knowledge and/or iOS. A…

> But maybe the job isn't economically worth it at the higher salary?

That would means the company is dysfunctional and only desperate people are going to join this wagon.

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