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Re: Hacker News Daily (announcement)

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Post by giantfuzzypanda »

Kilimanjaro wrote: post #43
niyazpk wrote: post #4

cperciva, I really appreciate the effort you put into this. One thing I find a bit depressing is that even though this scheme hugely reduces the time one spends on HN by filtering the articles according to votes, the top voted articles are not the ones that I would want to read. I usually come here for that "hacker" hacker news (hackerhackernews.com used to be something like this, but now the domain name has expired…

That's exactly why I created http://www.hackerblogs.com if you check HN frontpage right now, there are zero posts by hackers, all come from PR blogs like techcrunch, readwriteweb, thenextweb, etc. I highly recommend you giving it a try, it is still growing and I hope someday it may become the new source of real hacker news. * I dare you to find an article like "Flipping arrows in coBurger King" on the news sites righ…

Nice site, just added my blog. Only problem I see is that if it does keep growing and becomes popular, then people could add feeds of irrelevant blogs, and like most social news sites it would turn into a digg/reddit.

Re: Hacker News Daily (announcement)

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Post by giantfuzzypanda »

joubert wrote: post #23

Are points of a story only a sum of direct up votes? Or does it already factor in age, number of comments, etc.?

Yes, but according to the FAQ they're ranked like this:

"On the front page, by points divided by a power of the time since they were submitted. Comments in comment threads are ranked the same way."

Re: Hacker News Daily (announcement)

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Post by Kilimanjaro »

giantfuzzypanda wrote: post #51
Kilimanjaro wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's exactly why I created http://www.hackerblogs.com if you check HN frontpage right now, there are zero posts by hackers, all come from PR blogs like techcrunch, readwriteweb, thenextweb, etc. I highly recommend you giving it a try, it is still growing and I hope someday it may become the new source of real hacker news. * I dare you to find an article like "Flipping arrows in coBurger King" on the news sites righ…

Nice site, just added my blog. Only problem I see is that if it does keep growing and becomes popular, then people could add feeds of irrelevant blogs, and like most social news sites it would turn into a digg/reddit.

I am the curator, I check it every ten minutes (I am that addict) and believe me, I hate fud, payperpost and propaganda to death.

If I see one blog incurring in a fault, they're banned for life.

Re: Hacker News Daily (announcement)

#54

Post by brianto2010 »

niyazpk wrote: post #4

cperciva, I really appreciate the effort you put into this. One thing I find a bit depressing is that even though this scheme hugely reduces the time one spends on HN by filtering the articles according to votes, the top voted articles are not the ones that I would want to read. I usually come here for that "hacker" hacker news (hackerhackernews.com used to be something like this, but now the domain name has expired…

> "the top voted articles are not the ones that I would want to read."

Then, how about using the top 10 from the classic view? http://news.ycombinator.com/classic Would that help?

Re: Hacker News Daily (announcement)

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Post by Jun8 »

Thanks for doing this, interesting tool but I won't be using it! Let me explain.

I have often found that the articles I enjoyed most at HN were the outliers, i.e. not the ten most upvoted ones (anecdotal evidence, never tested this quantitatively). In fact this is what makes HN interesting: the quirky entries. My guess is that most of the 10 articles you select will be already covered by other such sites, diminishing the value of coming to HN in the first place.

The end effect will be similar to Hollywood blockbuster effect. It's not that I don't like to go a blockbuster movie, but I don't want to watch those all the time.

Re: Hacker News Daily (announcement)

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Post by cperciva »

kloncks wrote: post #35

I'd be interested to know what you programmed this in. Do the .HTML pages mean you used PHP? If them, cURL? Lemme know.

I use FreeBSD's fetch(1) to download the page, but curl or wget would have worked just as well. Extracting the data I want (item #, score, and link) is a few lines of perl. Managing the data over the course of the day and writing out the final HTML is done using standard BSD text utilities (sort, join, comm, cut).

Re: Hacker News Daily (announcement)

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Post by cperciva »

davidw wrote: post #8
niyazpk wrote: post #4

cperciva, I really appreciate the effort you put into this. One thing I find a bit depressing is that even though this scheme hugely reduces the time one spends on HN by filtering the articles according to votes, the top voted articles are not the ones that I would want to read. I usually come here for that "hacker" hacker news (hackerhackernews.com used to be something like this, but now the domain name has expired…

Yeah, I tend to find the really interesting stories are not the top of the page ones. Love in the age of the pickup artist? Sorry, couldn't care less.

Out of curiosity, I just ran the numbers for Love in the age of the pickup artist. Right now, at 15:00, it's in 6th place; I suspect that by the end of the day it will fall past 10th place, since these last 9 hours are probably when the most votes are cast and that link isn't getting many votes any more.

So that story is probably a perfect illustration of when sorting by highest score alone is better than HN's score-per-time measure.

Re: Hacker News Daily (announcement)

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Post by cperciva »

brown9-2 wrote: post #26
niyazpk wrote: post #4

cperciva, I really appreciate the effort you put into this. One thing I find a bit depressing is that even though this scheme hugely reduces the time one spends on HN by filtering the articles according to votes, the top voted articles are not the ones that I would want to read. I usually come here for that "hacker" hacker news (hackerhackernews.com used to be something like this, but now the domain name has expired…

Perhaps "Top 10 most-commented posts" would be interesting as well?

That's a lot harder to do -- I can get away with scraping the front page right now because highly voted posts are likely to be on the front page for most of their vote-getting lifetime, but that argument probably doesn't hold about highly commented posts.

Re: Hacker News Daily (announcement)

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Post by rmc »

brianto2010 wrote: post #54
niyazpk wrote: post #4

cperciva, I really appreciate the effort you put into this. One thing I find a bit depressing is that even though this scheme hugely reduces the time one spends on HN by filtering the articles according to votes, the top voted articles are not the ones that I would want to read. I usually come here for that "hacker" hacker news (hackerhackernews.com used to be something like this, but now the domain name has expired…

> " the top voted articles are not the ones that I would want to read. " Then, how about using the top 10 from the classic view? http://news.ycombinator.com/classic Would that help?

Very interesting. How come that view is hidden? How does it work?

Re: Hacker News Daily (announcement)

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Post by wwortiz »

rmc wrote: post #59
brianto2010 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> " the top voted articles are not the ones that I would want to read. " Then, how about using the top 10 from the classic view? http://news.ycombinator.com/classic Would that help?

Very interesting. How come that view is hidden? How does it work?

I think it ranks, or at least it did when the feature was added, items only by people who have had accounts for at least a year. (I may be wrong or it may have been longer than a year)
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