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Re: Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k maintenance costs

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Post by biktor_gj » Fri, Sep 01, 2017, 4:23 AM UTC

tsomctl wrote: post #97

bane wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Compare that to previous bmw or range rover Congratulations you've managed to buy two of the most unreliable brands before buying your Tesla. Both are generally known as tremendously unreliable cars (with the exception of BMW 3-series). The Range Rover in particular being known as one of those "buy two of them, one for the shop one for the garage" brands. BMW owners hide behind pre-purchased repairs being covered f…

I largely agree with you, although you are condescending. American cars are pretty reliable these days (albeit not as reliable as Toyota at their best). Having wrenched on both, Ford and Chevy are excellent at making good cars as cheap as possible (or cheap cars as good as possible). Their engineering is just good enough for the vehicle to work, with no effort to go above and beyond. And to tigershark, Ferrari and La…

For the record, my Toyota, being one year old, has been 3 times already for repairs, due to the Diesel Particle Filter. 25K Euro spent on the car, and 300€ in maintenance and repairs on the first year, with 21000 Km driven.

Re: Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k maintenance costs

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Post by BoorishBears » Fri, Sep 01, 2017, 4:25 AM UTC

KGIII wrote: post #93

duncan_bayne wrote: post #90

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> New tech has obstacles to overcome. Yep, definitely. And it should do so on the dime of investors and early adopters, not the public.

Do you know who developed and paid for the early years of the very device, and network, you're using? How about GPS? How about vaccinations? How about police, fire departments, and libraries? Where do you draw this line? Look, you've paid a trivial percentage of a penny to subsidize them. You want me to PayPal you a dime? I don't mind. I already pay an enormous amount in taxes. I'll send you a dime. That should cover…

I'm the owner of an EV who benefited to the tune of 10k and I have to admit in this specific case I agree with the parent comment (but maybe not the tone).

I feel like the rebates should only apply to EVs under 30k.

And maybe be a percentage off the price of the base model, since there is no reason the taxpayer should have subsidized my EV by 10k when I spent 7k on features that are completely optional.

I don't think subsidizing 90k EVs is going to bring EVs to the mainstream. The people spending 4k on FSD while AP2 struggled to catch-up with AP1 are usually not people who would have balked at a 100k Model S.

Subsidizing a 30k Nissan Leaf on the other hand, which can be a 15k used car in a few years helps get the people buying in the segments with the most cars being sold into EVs and normalizing the idea. I think EVs will really take off when people connotate EV with entry level mid-size sedans instead of top end luxury sedans.

Re: Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k maintenance costs

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Post by ehnto » Fri, Sep 01, 2017, 4:25 AM UTC

jdavis703 wrote: post #84

taf2 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've had a model s for 3 years now and spent a total of 2 hours at a service center for 1 maintenance appointment. Compare that to previous bmw or range rover for which I owned for around the same time and would have been at a service center for at least 2 or 3 times yearly - sometimes needing a temporary car for longer service visits... I'm sure this is not everyone's experience... but I'll never even consider any o…

I'm shocked by that. I had a Honda Fit for five years with about 50,000 miles, besides smog tests and getting new tires I never had to take it to a shop. I would expect more up-market brands to have even better reliability. Is this common that cheaper cars have better maintenance, or was I lucky?

I have had a 1996 R33 Skyline for 7 years, more than 100,000km and haven't had a single issue asside from a worn suspension boot. Given its age, that should be remarkable, but it is my second R33 and the first was just as uneventful maintenance wise. I am not particularly kind to them either.

The first one was rear ended by a Suzuki Vitara, which wrote off the car, in case anyone was curious why I have had two.

Re: Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k maintenance costs

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Post by KGIII » Fri, Sep 01, 2017, 4:32 AM UTC

BoorishBears wrote: post #102

KGIII wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you know who developed and paid for the early years of the very device, and network, you're using? How about GPS? How about vaccinations? How about police, fire departments, and libraries? Where do you draw this line? Look, you've paid a trivial percentage of a penny to subsidize them. You want me to PayPal you a dime? I don't mind. I already pay an enormous amount in taxes. I'll send you a dime. That should cover…

I'm the owner of an EV who benefited to the tune of 10k and I have to admit in this specific case I agree with the parent comment (but maybe not the tone). I feel like the rebates should only apply to EVs under 30k. And maybe be a percentage off the price of the base model, since there is no reason the taxpayer should have subsidized my EV by 10k when I spent 7k on features that are completely optional. I don't think…

I really don't mind the extra couple of bucks. The value of subsidies is the increased adoption. The actual cost is probably lower than the cost for toilet paper for all the federal prison inmates.

I hope my taxes encouraged you to upgrade to ludicrous mode. That would make me happy.

To put it another way, I also don't mind if someone buys a candy bar with their EBT/SNAP card. Of all the tax dollars we spend, this pretty much falls into the couch-change category.

Re: Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k maintenance costs

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Post by bane » Fri, Sep 01, 2017, 4:33 AM UTC

tsomctl wrote: post #97

bane wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Compare that to previous bmw or range rover Congratulations you've managed to buy two of the most unreliable brands before buying your Tesla. Both are generally known as tremendously unreliable cars (with the exception of BMW 3-series). The Range Rover in particular being known as one of those "buy two of them, one for the shop one for the garage" brands. BMW owners hide behind pre-purchased repairs being covered f…

I largely agree with you, although you are condescending. American cars are pretty reliable these days (albeit not as reliable as Toyota at their best). Having wrenched on both, Ford and Chevy are excellent at making good cars as cheap as possible (or cheap cars as good as possible). Their engineering is just good enough for the vehicle to work, with no effort to go above and beyond. And to tigershark, Ferrari and La…

IMHO there's no excuse to buy an unreliable car these days and complain about it not being reliable. We're literally drowning in information and reliability information is perhaps 5-30 seconds away from any human on the planet. Anybody who buys an unreliable car in the modern age either did it knowing the car was unreliable but wanted something else from it (usually some kind of image) or is trying to be ignorant.

One of my friends just bought a car with an incredibly well known mechanical issue and got to complaining about it. When asked if he bothered to look up the reliability of that make/model he answered "no".

He has a smart phone, knows how to use Google and works in I.T. Zero excuses, zero sympathy. After pressing, turns out he liked it because it was red and a hatchback.

Re: Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k maintenance costs

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Post by gigatexal » Fri, Sep 01, 2017, 4:36 AM UTC

Makes sense. Less moving parts means less to break. I like the trend towards (mechanically) simpler vehicles

Re: Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k maintenance costs

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Sep 01, 2017, 4:55 AM UTC

bane wrote: post #91

taf2 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've had a model s for 3 years now and spent a total of 2 hours at a service center for 1 maintenance appointment. Compare that to previous bmw or range rover for which I owned for around the same time and would have been at a service center for at least 2 or 3 times yearly - sometimes needing a temporary car for longer service visits... I'm sure this is not everyone's experience... but I'll never even consider any o…

> Compare that to previous bmw or range rover Congratulations you've managed to buy two of the most unreliable brands before buying your Tesla. Both are generally known as tremendously unreliable cars (with the exception of BMW 3-series). The Range Rover in particular being known as one of those "buy two of them, one for the shop one for the garage" brands. BMW owners hide behind pre-purchased repairs being covered f…

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Re: Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k maintenance costs

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Post by pandaman » Fri, Sep 01, 2017, 4:57 AM UTC

nbanks wrote: post #75

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #15

So they saved a bunch of money by putting a ton of miles on before age related problems started showing up. In other news the sky is blue. It's component deterioration from age that really gets you on a luxury car. Seat motors fail, wiring harnesses deteriorate, etc. It's also worth mentioning that they didn't crash one. With enough road hours eventually it will happen. The vehicles that can be serviced by a normal s…

At least the aluminium body of the Model S and X won't rust the way most cars do in places that use road salt in the winter. Can't say the same for the Model 3.

But is not mechanical damage to aluminum more expensive? Aluminum stretches much easier than steel and you cannot just stretch it to fix bends and dents. It's probably cheaper to replace external panels but I don't even know what you do to the monobody's damage.

Re: Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k maintenance costs

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Post by vvanders » Fri, Sep 01, 2017, 5:03 AM UTC

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #17

sapienthomo wrote: post #7

So, did anyone put in their email to get the service records? Please repost. I'm interested in the cost of the tires.

A metric fuckton each, four metric fucktons per vehicle. They're special and IIRC have a liner to reduce NVH because that's one of their selling points.

Totally depends on the wheel type. Our 19" was ~1k for all 4 and lasted ~35k. It's a bit but not as bad as you make it out to be.

Re: Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k maintenance costs

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Post by bitexploder » Fri, Sep 01, 2017, 5:26 AM UTC

tsomctl wrote: post #97

bane wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Compare that to previous bmw or range rover Congratulations you've managed to buy two of the most unreliable brands before buying your Tesla. Both are generally known as tremendously unreliable cars (with the exception of BMW 3-series). The Range Rover in particular being known as one of those "buy two of them, one for the shop one for the garage" brands. BMW owners hide behind pre-purchased repairs being covered f…

I largely agree with you, although you are condescending. American cars are pretty reliable these days (albeit not as reliable as Toyota at their best). Having wrenched on both, Ford and Chevy are excellent at making good cars as cheap as possible (or cheap cars as good as possible). Their engineering is just good enough for the vehicle to work, with no effort to go above and beyond. And to tigershark, Ferrari and La…

Ford and Chevy both build limited run, very reliable 600ish HP cars. It's just that the exotic builders don't produce at scale and can brute Force problems due to their margins.