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Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k maintenance costs

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Re: Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k maintenance costs

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Post by bane »

taf2 wrote: post #43
dmitrygr wrote: post #5

Sadly, if you are not a company with a name like Tesloop, but a normal user, the issue is not cost of service but time wasted on waiting for it. Unlike a real car, teslas can only be serviced by tesla...so.... https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeldunne/2016/10/31/my-firs... https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/03/07/repairing-my-tesla... http://www.autonews.com/article/20161113/RETAIL05/311149995/... http://insideevs.c…

I've had a model s for 3 years now and spent a total of 2 hours at a service center for 1 maintenance appointment. Compare that to previous bmw or range rover for which I owned for around the same time and would have been at a service center for at least 2 or 3 times yearly - sometimes needing a temporary car for longer service visits... I'm sure this is not everyone's experience... but I'll never even consider any o…

> Compare that to previous bmw or range rover

Congratulations you've managed to buy two of the most unreliable brands before buying your Tesla. Both are generally known as tremendously unreliable cars (with the exception of BMW 3-series). The Range Rover in particular being known as one of those "buy two of them, one for the shop one for the garage" brands. BMW owners hide behind pre-purchased repairs being covered for 5 years via soon to be well worn warranty repairs.

If you care at all about reliability here's the rules:

- Do you want mechanical problems? Buy American, French or British/Indian brands

- Do you want Electrical problems? Buy German or Northern European brands

- Do you want none of the above? Buy consumer Japanese brands and avoid the Luxury brands except for Lexus. Korean cars are a close second.

- Do you want all of the above? buy a Jeep or an Italian car.

If only there was some place potential buyers could search for car reliability information.

Re: Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k maintenance costs

#92

Post by bane »

jdavis703 wrote: post #84
taf2 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've had a model s for 3 years now and spent a total of 2 hours at a service center for 1 maintenance appointment. Compare that to previous bmw or range rover for which I owned for around the same time and would have been at a service center for at least 2 or 3 times yearly - sometimes needing a temporary car for longer service visits... I'm sure this is not everyone's experience... but I'll never even consider any o…

I'm shocked by that. I had a Honda Fit for five years with about 50,000 miles, besides smog tests and getting new tires I never had to take it to a shop. I would expect more up-market brands to have even better reliability. Is this common that cheaper cars have better maintenance, or was I lucky?

Yes. Upmarket brands are known to be plagued with various electrical and "feature" problems that don't bother other cars - the lone exception appears to be Lexus, which tends to rate about as high as Toyotas.

But Acuras tend to be less reliable than Hondas

Infinities tend to be less reliable than Nissans

and so on.

Basically, fewer moving parts means better reliability in general. In addition, lower level cars are much cheaper to repair for various reasons.

Want a car that will run forever on the cheap? You're probably driving it.

Re: Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k maintenance costs

#93

Post by KGIII »

duncan_bayne wrote: post #90
KGIII wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't get to drive an M1A1 tank, either. For your $0.003 contribution to those subsidies, you get cleaner air and maybe less global warming. New tech has obstacles to overcome. Qualified service technicians will be here eventually, hopefully.

> New tech has obstacles to overcome. Yep, definitely. And it should do so on the dime of investors and early adopters, not the public.

Do you know who developed and paid for the early years of the very device, and network, you're using? How about GPS? How about vaccinations? How about police, fire departments, and libraries? Where do you draw this line?

Look, you've paid a trivial percentage of a penny to subsidize them. You want me to PayPal you a dime? I don't mind. I already pay an enormous amount in taxes. I'll send you a dime. That should cover your costs for the rest of your earning years.

Re: Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k maintenance costs

#94

Post by tigershark »

bane wrote: post #91
taf2 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've had a model s for 3 years now and spent a total of 2 hours at a service center for 1 maintenance appointment. Compare that to previous bmw or range rover for which I owned for around the same time and would have been at a service center for at least 2 or 3 times yearly - sometimes needing a temporary car for longer service visits... I'm sure this is not everyone's experience... but I'll never even consider any o…

> Compare that to previous bmw or range rover Congratulations you've managed to buy two of the most unreliable brands before buying your Tesla. Both are generally known as tremendously unreliable cars (with the exception of BMW 3-series). The Range Rover in particular being known as one of those "buy two of them, one for the shop one for the garage" brands. BMW owners hide behind pre-purchased repairs being covered f…

So I guess that a Ferrari is totally unreliable looking at your post..

Re: Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k maintenance costs

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Post by aggie »

jdavis703 wrote: post #84
taf2 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've had a model s for 3 years now and spent a total of 2 hours at a service center for 1 maintenance appointment. Compare that to previous bmw or range rover for which I owned for around the same time and would have been at a service center for at least 2 or 3 times yearly - sometimes needing a temporary car for longer service visits... I'm sure this is not everyone's experience... but I'll never even consider any o…

I'm shocked by that. I had a Honda Fit for five years with about 50,000 miles, besides smog tests and getting new tires I never had to take it to a shop. I would expect more up-market brands to have even better reliability. Is this common that cheaper cars have better maintenance, or was I lucky?

If you have the money to buy a luxury car, you probably aren't scrutinizing cost of ownership as much as someone buying an economy model. Plus the dealers want the extended business and high end cars are more likely to be serviced at a dealership. Thus, high end manufacturers do not focus on reliability. Another contributing factor is cutting edge features. The motorized lift gate won't go bad in your economy car because it doesn't have one.

Re: Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k maintenance costs

#96

Post by ctdonath »

blktiger wrote: post #9
dmitrygr wrote: post #5

Sadly, if you are not a company with a name like Tesloop, but a normal user, the issue is not cost of service but time wasted on waiting for it. Unlike a real car, teslas can only be serviced by tesla...so.... https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeldunne/2016/10/31/my-firs... https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/03/07/repairing-my-tesla... http://www.autonews.com/article/20161113/RETAIL05/311149995/... http://insideevs.c…

Tesla, Nissan Leaf, or Chevy Bolt - any electric car should have similar benefits in reduced maintenance costs.

I had a Leaf for 2 years. Maintenance costs were practically nonexistent (more than covered by the wildly overpriced, and still low, up-front prepayment). Seems all they did was change an air filter a couple times.

EXCEPT the tires. A surprisingly under-reported (hopefully because it may have been resolved) issue with EVs is they can wreck tires in a hurry. IIRC, I had to replace "65,000 mile" tires in 17,000 miles because they were near bald. That glorious incredible acceleration EV owners so enjoy when taking off from stoplights? the enormous torque tears that rubber up fast. Fortunately there are now tires built specifically for EVs and their intense strains, but I've not seen reports on how they're doing and expect they're relatively much more costly per-mile than tires for ICE vehicles.

Re: Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k maintenance costs

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Post by tsomctl »

bane wrote: post #91
taf2 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've had a model s for 3 years now and spent a total of 2 hours at a service center for 1 maintenance appointment. Compare that to previous bmw or range rover for which I owned for around the same time and would have been at a service center for at least 2 or 3 times yearly - sometimes needing a temporary car for longer service visits... I'm sure this is not everyone's experience... but I'll never even consider any o…

> Compare that to previous bmw or range rover Congratulations you've managed to buy two of the most unreliable brands before buying your Tesla. Both are generally known as tremendously unreliable cars (with the exception of BMW 3-series). The Range Rover in particular being known as one of those "buy two of them, one for the shop one for the garage" brands. BMW owners hide behind pre-purchased repairs being covered f…

I largely agree with you, although you are condescending. American cars are pretty reliable these days (albeit not as reliable as Toyota at their best). Having wrenched on both, Ford and Chevy are excellent at making good cars as cheap as possible (or cheap cars as good as possible). Their engineering is just good enough for the vehicle to work, with no effort to go above and beyond.

And to tigershark, Ferrari and Lamborghini are both notoriously unreliable. It's just the price you pay to have good performance. If you make things more reliable, it tends to mean more metal and bigger bearings, which makes it heavier and reduces handling.

Refences: http://www.reliabilityindex.com/manufacturer http://www.dashboard-light.com/reports/Mid-size.html

Re: Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k maintenance costs

#98

Post by ctdonath »

sapienthomo wrote: post #19
dsfyu404ed wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A metric fuckton each, four metric fucktons per vehicle. They're special and IIRC have a liner to reduce NVH because that's one of their selling points.

Yeah I know how much the tires cost. I want to know how many times they've replaced them because if they drove like me they would have spent all that money and then some, just on the tires. I'm a little skeptical of their total.

I just posted about tires. My single data point is that "65,000 mile" tires lasted 17,000 thanks to high torque. Decided to replace those "eco-friendly" tires with "made for EVs" tires which cost substantially more, and I expect would last only a "normal" distance.

Between Nissan, the tire manufacturer, and contending the "factory spec" was defective by mis-design & thus at least partially covered under warranty, I managed to get the price way down.

Re: Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k maintenance costs

#99

Post by an_account »

duncan_bayne wrote: post #83
KGIII wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From your tone, I'm guessing you're not a Tesla owner. You're right, in that it is not your problem. If you wish to ensure it remains not your problem, don't buy a Tesla. It's fairly new tech that's being made in small quantities. You'll face the same sorts of problems if you buy a Porsche. The Bugatti Veryon is recommended to have tire changes done by shipping it back to the factory. Tesla is not ready for the mass…

> From your tone, I'm guessing you're not a Tesla owner. You're right, in that it is not your problem. If you wish to ensure it remains not your problem, don't buy a Tesla. Except that's not an option for most people, because their taxes are used to subsidize Tesla. If you're a working American you've already bought a part share in a Tesla, you just don't get to drive one.

All our taxes are used to subsidize gasoline too.

Re: Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k maintenance costs

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Post by giarc »

tedunangst wrote: post #59

A Mercedes would spend 112 days out of two years in the shop? I know some people with MBs, and they aren't in the shop one day per week...

I imagine the author took all required maintenance and the time required and added it up. I imagine some maintenance can happen concurrently which was not accounted for in the article.
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