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Insane state of today's advertising part 3

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Re: Insane state of today's advertising part 3

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Post by 4ad »

doctorless wrote: post #7

I'm actually rather surprised that companies like Google aren't offering solutions to integrate ads into the delivery of the page content itself rather than JavaScript at this point, as it's pretty easy to block the specific domains serving ads. It seems relatively straightforward; the ads would be pre-rendered on the server providing the response and could send the same info a script would for the most part, especia…

> I'm actually rather surprised that companies like Google aren't offering solutions to integrate ads into the delivery of the page content itself rather than JavaScript at this point

Isn't that what AMP is?

Re: Insane state of today's advertising part 3

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Post by gnaritas »

baron816 wrote: post #19

A bit off topic, but something I'm interested in: would it be possible for a website to generate revenue by using client machines to mine crypto currencies? I would rather go to a website that uses up my CPU and network resources doing that than use up my CPU and network resources AND spam me with intrusive ads. Edit: solid answers to my question. Thanks everyone.

In the old days, not anymore, CPU's are too slow to compete with ASIC's for mining.

Re: Insane state of today's advertising part 3

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Post by flukus »

duncan_bayne wrote: post #30
ghughes wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's exactly what the adtech industry is starting to do. They've even got WordPress and Cloudflare plugins that can dynamically reinsert blocked ads via their proxy.

Just wait for Bayesian filters that block specific areas of the downloaded content.

Canvas + WebAssembly to the advertisers rescue. You didn't really think this technology was created to make life better for users did you?

Re: Insane state of today's advertising part 3

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Post by loeg »

gradys wrote: post #34
ghughes wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's exactly what the adtech industry is starting to do. They've even got WordPress and Cloudflare plugins that can dynamically reinsert blocked ads via their proxy.

Maybe not with the techniques they're using now, but if humans can tell it's an ad, then an ad blocker with say an image recognition model can too.

Native content can be really difficult for humans to distinguish.

Re: Insane state of today's advertising part 3

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Post by HuginnMuninn »

Has anyone attempted to quantify a rough cost for me to just pay for the http request I'm making and get rid of the middlemen?

I look at some of my spur of the moment purchases in shame, yet paying say $0.001 to browse a page somehow is the unthinkable?

Most don't like ads, as others have said they add latency and are easily subject to fraudulent clicks for the advertiser.

I get the feeling that content-creators and end-users are on the same side here and those in the middle are in the wrong. Not saying get rid of all ads, but it's amazing in 2017 there's no easy pay-to-play on the internet.

Re: Insane state of today's advertising part 3

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Post by exikyut »

andy_ppp wrote: post #39

I would love to be able to block JS files individually based on energy usage.

That would be fine until

  jquery-1.9.1-min.js: 3,389 hours of battery usage
would refuse to budge from the absolute top of the "probably the best to block" list.

The heuristics would be tricky to implement here...

Re: Insane state of today's advertising part 3

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Post by exikyut »

SomeStupidPoint wrote: post #24

I had to install an ad-blocker today because I got an ad trying to scam me served by Microsoft's news website. If they're not going to take any responsibility for what they're attaching to their pages, then I'm not going to load their random bag of crap.

Wow. What was the ad about? I'm curious, I like filing away disasters like these.

Re: Insane state of today's advertising part 3

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Post by exikyut »

baron816 wrote: post #19

A bit off topic, but something I'm interested in: would it be possible for a website to generate revenue by using client machines to mine crypto currencies? I would rather go to a website that uses up my CPU and network resources doing that than use up my CPU and network resources AND spam me with intrusive ads. Edit: solid answers to my question. Thanks everyone.

A related tangent that's not quite the same but similar is borrowing localStorage on n x (large exponent) devices and turning it into a virtualized block storage system.

I've heard rumors of systems like this existing but not yet seen any concrete implementations of it.

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