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Satya Nadella: DREAMers make our country and communities stronger

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Re: Satya Nadella: DREAMers make our country and communities stronger

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>As a CEO, I see each day the direct contributions that talented employees from around the world bring to our company, our customers and to the broader economy. We care deeply about the DREAMers who work at Microsoft and fully support them. We will always stand for diversity and economic opportunity for everyone.

Diversity doesn't require illegal immigration, nor are the children of illegal immigrants particularly beneficial to their host country -- if you have any faith in our system (that should be designed to select for the best and brightest), you'd have to admit that the immigrants admitted by a real merit-based immigration system would be superior to immigrants admitted more or less at random. The only traits that illegal immigration selects for are desperation and a willingness to break laws and live on the fringes of society.

Not that I believe Satya Nadella is sincere in any case, this is just evidence of the growing politicization of large tech companies (as the anti-trust suits loom) -- large corporations don't support liberal causes out of genuine concern (corporations are by default, sociopathic) -- they're trying to do political astroturfing: the goal is to prolong the continued existence of their monopolies. If the issue of concentration of power in the tech giants were to be handled solely (and dispassionately) by the appropriate financial regulatory bodies, it would be over very quickly. The large tech giants plan to avoid that by making their existence an ongoing issue in the cultural cold war, split the popular opinion down the middle, and make the issue too political to ever be resolved.

Re: Satya Nadella: DREAMers make our country and communities stronger

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>As a CEO, I see each day the direct contributions that talented employees from around the world bring to our company, our customers and to the broader economy. We care deeply about the DREAMers who work at Microsoft and fully support them. We will always stand for diversity and economic opportunity for everyone. Diversity doesn't require illegal immigration, nor are the children of illegal immigrants particularly be…

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Re: Satya Nadella: DREAMers make our country and communities stronger

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>As a CEO, I see each day the direct contributions that talented employees from around the world bring to our company, our customers and to the broader economy. We care deeply about the DREAMers who work at Microsoft and fully support them. We will always stand for diversity and economic opportunity for everyone. Diversity doesn't require illegal immigration, nor are the children of illegal immigrants particularly be…

I think the suggestion is that if the immigrants were Caucasian, this would not be a big deal. Which is true; most people of Irish, Scottish and German descent came here when the standards of entry were fad less rigorous. If lax immigration policy selects for illegal behavior, then most Caucasian should be sequestered into camps, should they make us the victims of their illegal behavior.

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>As a CEO, I see each day the direct contributions that talented employees from around the world bring to our company, our customers and to the broader economy. We care deeply about the DREAMers who work at Microsoft and fully support them. We will always stand for diversity and economic opportunity for everyone. Diversity doesn't require illegal immigration, nor are the children of illegal immigrants particularly be…

27 Microsoft employees are covered under this status and will presumably be deported (though I don't know if this will actually ever happen or how long it will take; practically they will have to stop working for Microsoft if their status to do so is revoked.)

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>As a CEO, I see each day the direct contributions that talented employees from around the world bring to our company, our customers and to the broader economy. We care deeply about the DREAMers who work at Microsoft and fully support them. We will always stand for diversity and economic opportunity for everyone. Diversity doesn't require illegal immigration, nor are the children of illegal immigrants particularly be…

I think the suggestion is that if the immigrants were Caucasian, this would not be a big deal. Which is true; most people of Irish, Scottish and German descent came here when the standards of entry were fad less rigorous. If lax immigration policy selects for illegal behavior, then most Caucasian should be sequestered into camps, should they make us the victims of their illegal behavior.

If we're ignoring the law, why aren't you ignoring race?

Re: Satya Nadella: DREAMers make our country and communities stronger

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>As a CEO, I see each day the direct contributions that talented employees from around the world bring to our company, our customers and to the broader economy. We care deeply about the DREAMers who work at Microsoft and fully support them. We will always stand for diversity and economic opportunity for everyone. Diversity doesn't require illegal immigration, nor are the children of illegal immigrants particularly be…

27 Microsoft employees are covered under this status and will presumably be deported (though I don't know if this will actually ever happen or how long it will take; practically they will have to stop working for Microsoft if their status to do so is revoked.)

Why would they have to stop working for Microsoft?

Microsoft is a large, multi-national corporation. What better way to say "We still support these people" than, where possible, helping to relocate them to an office in their country of origin? Not every country, or city, has a Microsoft office, but Microsoft isn't exclusively in Redmond, either.

This issue should not be simplified to "You have to go back." Even if it were, that would still leave a lot of creative solutions for how Microsoft (and other large, wealthy corporations) could take care of the employees they claim to care so much about, regardless of where they live.

Re: Satya Nadella: DREAMers make our country and communities stronger

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>As a CEO, I see each day the direct contributions that talented employees from around the world bring to our company, our customers and to the broader economy. We care deeply about the DREAMers who work at Microsoft and fully support them. We will always stand for diversity and economic opportunity for everyone. Diversity doesn't require illegal immigration, nor are the children of illegal immigrants particularly be…

> The only traits that illegal immigration selects for are desperation and a willingness to break laws and live on the fringes of society.

So those Microsoft DREAMers Nadella is talking about are nothing but miserable, desperate nothings who live on the fringe and contribute nothing to America?

Re: Satya Nadella: DREAMers make our country and communities stronger

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This really frustrates me. Children should not be punished for crimes of parents but they should also not benefit from them. As legal immigrant that went through tons of trouble to get my green card after 8 years I feel insulted when people praise illegal immigrants. If you want open borders then change the law, until then its illegal. To me this is similar to parents robbing a bank and giving children 100K and government is saying "oh, don't punish children for parent's crimes so go ahead and keep those 100K, it's ok". They should be deported and blame their parents for it, not the government.

Re: Satya Nadella: DREAMers make our country and communities stronger

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>As a CEO, I see each day the direct contributions that talented employees from around the world bring to our company, our customers and to the broader economy. We care deeply about the DREAMers who work at Microsoft and fully support them. We will always stand for diversity and economic opportunity for everyone. Diversity doesn't require illegal immigration, nor are the children of illegal immigrants particularly be…

The only traits that illegal immigration selects for are desperation and a willingness to break laws and live on the fringes of society.

Alternatively, entrepreneurial go-getting risk-takers with the gumption to actively make better lives for themselves, planning ahead and investing in their own futures, able to prosper with minimal assistance from the state.

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