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Re: Ask HN: What to do with this meme?

#41
I'll share some experience with your from cornify.com, which had the same effect and still goes strong 1.5 years later (this year invitation to ROFLCON, SXSW people's choice award, installed in 550000 web pages...). This is my experience with a project that's different from yours, so I hope it will help with your specific situation.

The main thing you need to achieve is to make your site about a bigger theme. This feature will remain the core, but you need to be associated with something bigger. With Cornify, it's always been about happiness. Unicorns and rainbows are (almost) second to that, which gives me much more room to work with. Make your site about famous writers, becoming a better writer, or something like that. Use imagery that matches the theme.

The second big thing is to make your tool deep, while keeping it simple. People know it for this one thing and the one thing only. Make it so you can find something new every time you use it, make it smart so it learns with the number of times you use it. Surprise people. Tweak, tweak, tweak.

Third recommendation is to build a voice and talk to people. Get Twitter and Facebook accounts. Decide on how you want to relate to people and what they should get out of being interested in you. I've gotten so many "Oh, I can't believe Cornify is on Twitter" comments, it shows that you care about the site. A brand would also be a big help. Maybe you can look into using imagery of famous writers.

Find a way that people can create things on your site. With Cornify, people really like the photo uploader. Find something that people can create on your site and then share. This keeps people coming back.

Most importantly, keep things fun. This is not serious business, this is a meme. If things stop being fun or get cluttered with ads, people will not take your serious and won't come back. Be very careful about monetizing. A meme that people like is an incredibly thing to have in your resume and a great talking point. I worked on projects for MTV, Nintendo, EA, etc, but people get way more excited when they find out I created Cornify. This is a meme and you may be more proud of other things you have done, but in terms of public recognition, you should take this very serious.

And congratulations. It's very exciting to see a project blow up like this. Hope you have a great time with it.

Re: Ask HN: What to do with this meme?

#42

I know you said you're not discussing the algorithm, but to me, the biggest proof of silliness (I won't say "nonsense") is that when I entered 7 different blog posts of mine, I got 6 different results.

I tried two different posts I wrote (in fact, the entire contents of my rebooted blog, since RSI has kept me down lately), as well as one half-written post, and apparently they all appeared to be Dan Brown works. I'm not quite sure what to think of that, but at least it was reasonably consistent for me.

It was completely inconsistent for me. I tried 4 posts and got 4 different results. I tried 2 different parts of the same post and got different results.

I suspect the webapp is just suggesting random writers.

Also, NLP classification is a hard problem. I don't think doing it reliably over a weekend is possible. I think that had OP done any good work on NLP, he would have discussed it. I am more inclined to think the app is just giving random results.

Re: Ask HN: What to do with this meme?

#43
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of the memes on the web are short-lived, however there's nothing about memes that makes them inherently short-lived. Some memes live extremely long.

I'd be interested to see examples of long-lived memes like this.

http://icanhascheezburger.com/

http://www.hotornot.com/

Re: Ask HN: What to do with this meme?

#47

I know you said you're not discussing the algorithm, but to me, the biggest proof of silliness (I won't say "nonsense") is that when I entered 7 different blog posts of mine, I got 6 different results.

Fun exercise: paste in excerpts from famous authors. I gave it Faulkner and it said he writes like Joyce. Hemingway writes like Shakespeare who writes like Dickens. Lovecraft writes like Poe who writes like Nabokov. (It correctly identified Joyce, Dickens, and Nabokov.)

Re: Ask HN: What to do with this meme?

#48
post #43
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd be interested to see examples of long-lived memes like this.

http://icanhascheezburger.com/ http://www.hotornot.com/

Those at least give you neverending variety. There are novel thousands of new variations on the lolcat theme every day, and no end to the slot-machine-like fun of rating people hot or not in the hope of eventually getting to one who is either particularly hot or hilariously not.

But once you've posted in a sample of your own writing, gone "Hahaha, I write like Mario Puzo, hey guys, guess what?", I find it hard to imagine anyone coming back time after time.

Re: Ask HN: What to do with this meme?

#49
post #41

I'll share some experience with your from cornify.com, which had the same effect and still goes strong 1.5 years later (this year invitation to ROFLCON, SXSW people's choice award, installed in 550000 web pages...). This is my experience with a project that's different from yours, so I hope it will help with your specific situation. The main thing you need to achieve is to make your site about a bigger theme. This fe…

Thanks for sharing your experience!

Re: Ask HN: What to do with this meme?

#50
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried two different posts I wrote (in fact, the entire contents of my rebooted blog, since RSI has kept me down lately), as well as one half-written post, and apparently they all appeared to be Dan Brown works. I'm not quite sure what to think of that, but at least it was reasonably consistent for me.

It was completely inconsistent for me. I tried 4 posts and got 4 different results. I tried 2 different parts of the same post and got different results. I suspect the webapp is just suggesting random writers. Also, NLP classification is a hard problem. I don't think doing it reliably over a weekend is possible. I think that had OP done any good work on NLP, he would have discussed it. I am more inclined to think the…

I suspect the webapp is just suggesting random writers.

Nope. It's just a Bayesian classificator :)

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