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Re: A camera that snaps a GIF and ejects a cartridge that displays it

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Post by DanBC »

semperdark wrote: post #221
andrepd wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That (i) is absolutely irrelevant to the discussion at hand and (ii) a completely fallacious argument, since Bitcoin mining amounts to less than 0.01% of the world's energy consumption, providing a useful service in return (compare with gold mining, which is actual mindless busywork and consumes way more energy than Bitcoin does.

> less than 0.01% of the world's energy consumption Actually, it's 0.08% and rising. The energy for 1 transaction could power almost 6 U.S. homes for a full day. https://digiconomist.net/bitcoin-energy-consumption

As an aside: is there a list of the energy consumption of common Internet activity anywhere?

How much is used by a single DuckDuckGo / Bing / Google search? Or Reddit post? Or email?

Re: A camera that snaps a GIF and ejects a cartridge that displays it

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Post by SirHound »

kijin wrote: post #232
nomel wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a feeling that personal displays (as with cellphones now) will continue to exist until man stops existing. I imagine the opposite trend will occur, where each person owns fewer and fewer display devices. I can't imagine a justification now, or in the future, for buying some single use display. Once we get to a nice head mounted AR system, it would be very silly to have anything more.

People like having something special and permanent. All those pictures on your general-purpose computing device? They're gone as soon as you lose the device, get ransomware, and/or temporarily run out of money to renew the cloud storage subscription. A polaroid picture that starts playing as soon as you attach it to a suitable power source (please make it something standard like an AA battery or USB cable), on the ot…

Your grandchildren are unlikely to be using AA batteries or USB cables.

Re: A camera that snaps a GIF and ejects a cartridge that displays it

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Post by DonHopkins »

andrepd wrote: post #245
DonHopkins wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

#Bitcoin enables Chinese entrepreneurs to export coal by burning it and using the energy to mine. — Emin Gün Sirer (@el33th4xor) July 20, 2015 https://www.buybitcoinworldwide.com/mining/china/ Gold mining doesn't provide a useful service in return, huh? As will_brown pointed out, Bitcoin isn't a necessary ingredient in smartphones, electronics, jewelry, medicine, dentistry, aerospace, glassmaking, like gold is. http:…

Only about 5% of gold is used in industry. The rest is stored as bullion or used in jewellery.

You sound very confident with using strong words like "absolutely irrelevant" and "completely fallacious" and "actual mindless busywork" and definitive quantities like "less than 0.01%", when it turns out that your numbers are off by almost an order of magnitude base 10 or three orders of magnitude base 2. So they're only burning eight times more coal than you claim (and rising).

You're saying that because worldwide production of gold is so small and insignificant and practically useless compared to Bitcoin, and since only 5% is used for anything but bullion or jewelry, it doesn't matter and it's absolutely irrelevant to the discussion at hand that the smartphone and computer that you're using contains and depends on gold?

If not for gold, then how would you be communicating your strong confident words and impressive sounding but inaccurate numbers with us? Do you use bitcoin in your smartphone instead of gold?

Where did you get your "less than 0.01%" number and your gold-free smartphone? Is it made of clay?

Re: A camera that snaps a GIF and ejects a cartridge that displays it

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Post by klez »

developer2 wrote: post #256
cr0sh wrote: post #97

This is one of those projects that at first, is easy to dismiss as "silly" or "useless". On the surface, sure. But looking at the imgur album and reading the comments (and I would imagine going to the website, etc - which I haven't done), it becomes clear (and the author even says so on the album) that this project ultimately served a larger purpose: From start to finish, this project has helped the person develop a…

You analysis is on point. The comments on Reddit in particular were so far off base. On one hand you had people raving about how this needed to be patented and produced for sale - those people are (perhaps optimistically) out of touch with reality. On the other hand were people laughing in his face for how ridiculous this was to produce as a project, because it's obviously not marketable ("I am so smart"). It goes to…

That's a problem you sometimes see here too, on the various "Show HN"s. There's always some comments along the lines of "nice, but how will you monetize this". Seeing this is a website geared towards startup culture it's something to be expected, to a certain degree. But it makes you wander about the shifting meaning of the word "hacker".

Re: A camera that snaps a GIF and ejects a cartridge that displays it

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Post by vidarh »

SirHound wrote: post #272
kijin wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People like having something special and permanent. All those pictures on your general-purpose computing device? They're gone as soon as you lose the device, get ransomware, and/or temporarily run out of money to renew the cloud storage subscription. A polaroid picture that starts playing as soon as you attach it to a suitable power source (please make it something standard like an AA battery or USB cable), on the ot…

Your grandchildren are unlikely to be using AA batteries or USB cables.

But both are trivial to create adapters for as long as you have a suitable source of electricity.

Re: A camera that snaps a GIF and ejects a cartridge that displays it

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Post by DonHopkins »

DanBC wrote: post #271
semperdark wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> less than 0.01% of the world's energy consumption Actually, it's 0.08% and rising. The energy for 1 transaction could power almost 6 U.S. homes for a full day. https://digiconomist.net/bitcoin-energy-consumption

As an aside: is there a list of the energy consumption of common Internet activity anywhere? How much is used by a single DuckDuckGo / Bing / Google search? Or Reddit post? Or email?

I'll use that much energy by performing a google search for the answer, and then offset my carbon footprint by performing some extremely accurate mathematical calculations using ancient Babylonian clay tablets, instead of depending on gold:

https://www.google.nl/search?q=how+much+energy+is+used+by+go...

According to a 2009 post by Google: Together with other work performed before your search even starts (such as building the search index) this amounts to 0.0003 kWh of energy per search, or 1 kJ.

How much energy is required for one Google search? - Quora

https://www.quora.com/How-much-energy-is-required-for-one-Go...

Compared to:

https://www.google.nl/search?q=how+much+energy+does+an+ameri...

How much electricity does an American home use? In 2015, the average annual electricity consumption for a U.S. residential utility customer was 10,812 kilowatthours (kWh), an average of 901 kWh per month. Oct 18, 2016

How much electricity does an American home use? - FAQ - U.S. ... - EIA

https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=97&t=3

So if "Electricity consumed per [Bitcoin] transaction (KWh)" is 173.00 kwh, and one Google search consumes 0.0003 kwh, then you can perform 173.00 / 0.0003 = 576,666.67 google searches (over half a million) per Bitcoin transaction.

If a house used 10812 / 365 = 29.62 kwh per day, then you can perform 29.62 / 0.0003 = 98,733.33 Google searches with the energy it takes to power a house for a day, or power the house for (24 * 60 * 60) / ((10812.0 / 365) / 0.0003) = 0.875 seconds with one Google search, if these gold-free clay tablets are as accurate as news reports say they are.

Re: A camera that snaps a GIF and ejects a cartridge that displays it

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Post by sbarre »

ISL wrote: post #184
sbarre wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah except that would create massive amounts of electronics litter..

And a new recycling waste stream.

Fair enough, as long as that would actually happen. I live in the downtown of a major city and on a weekend morning the amount of flyer/advertising garbage that is strewn across the sidewalks and streets as a result of the previous night's flyering is always depressing.

Even now with that all being paper, I'm sure most of it goes to the trash and not to recycling because of how ripped up and soiled it gets.

Re: A camera that snaps a GIF and ejects a cartridge that displays it

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Post by ptero »

kijin wrote: post #232
nomel wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a feeling that personal displays (as with cellphones now) will continue to exist until man stops existing. I imagine the opposite trend will occur, where each person owns fewer and fewer display devices. I can't imagine a justification now, or in the future, for buying some single use display. Once we get to a nice head mounted AR system, it would be very silly to have anything more.

People like having something special and permanent. All those pictures on your general-purpose computing device? They're gone as soon as you lose the device, get ransomware, and/or temporarily run out of money to renew the cloud storage subscription. A polaroid picture that starts playing as soon as you attach it to a suitable power source (please make it something standard like an AA battery or USB cable), on the ot…

This is a very cool project, but if your grandchildren find some photos in the attic that they can still enjoy those are likely to be old fashioned prints.

There are many enemies of electronics: water, bumps, component failures, etc. that make long term non-specialized storage likely to fail

Re: A camera that snaps a GIF and ejects a cartridge that displays it

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Post by ezequiel-garzon »

abhi3188 wrote: post #106

Hi guys, I am the creator of this camera! happy to answer any questions.. didn't know it was doing so well here on HN :)

Amazing work, this and the rest of your stuff! Have you written about it on shek.it? I can't find an entry for it.
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