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Re: Why I Still Use Vim

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Post by maelkum »

Klathmon wrote: post #66
mugsie wrote: post #53

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Now, I haven't worked on web in a while, but what advantages does having an in IDE browser of a random provenance (it trails Chromium by 2-3 weeks) vs using a known version in a separate window beside it? edit: spelling

The same benefits that having multiple tabs of code windows is better than multiple separate windows. When i'm debugging/developing/whatevering code that is going to run the same in all supported browsers, doing it in the editor directly allows me to switch tabs back and forth quicker and easier than having them as separate windows. When i'm working on my laptop without any additional screens, being able to keep the…

> When i'm debugging/developing/whatevering code that is going to run the same in all supported browsers, (...).

Completely off-topic remark: I always find it funny that Web is hailed as the Write Once, Run Everywhere there is a browser, but then words "supported", or "compatible" start cropping up.

Re: Why I Still Use Vim

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Post by Klathmon »

maelkum wrote: post #201
Klathmon wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same benefits that having multiple tabs of code windows is better than multiple separate windows. When i'm debugging/developing/whatevering code that is going to run the same in all supported browsers, doing it in the editor directly allows me to switch tabs back and forth quicker and easier than having them as separate windows. When i'm working on my laptop without any additional screens, being able to keep the…

> When i'm debugging/developing/whatevering code that is going to run the same in all supported browsers, (...). Completely off-topic remark: I always find it funny that Web is hailed as the Write Once, Run Everywhere there is a browser, but then words "supported", or "compatible" start cropping up.

Write Once, Run Everywhere != every line is 100% compatible with every platform.

Really any more the only things that aren't "cross-platform" are bugs, and very new stuff.

Re: Why I Still Use Vim

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Post by alex-e »

staticelf wrote: post #199
alex-e wrote: post #165

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There's a new native desktop app for Slack, Skype, WhatsApp, etc: https://eul.im/slack It's only 4 MB and can handle tens of thousands of messages in one chat without lag.

I would use it but I am afraid that it might steal my accounts. I would feel safer paying for it and I would gladly do that. Now, it just feels like the creator can simply steal my accounts without my knowledge. Windows 10 warns me about the app as well, perhaps because it is not from the Store? I don't really care about size of the application, I just want it to not consume a crazy amount of memory.

You are right to be cautious.

Like the home page says, the binaries are not signed yet, that's why Windows is complaining. Documents are being verified right now, getting a code signing certificate is a slow process unfortunately.

There will be a paid option soon. The app sends nothing to the server, only error reports.

eul uses 5x less RAM on average.

Re: Why I Still Use Vim

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Post by d_han »

Klathmon wrote: post #6

These kinds of comparisons always seemed a bit silly to me. It's like complaining that opening a 6MB file in windows took over 3GB on my system! (ignoring that most of that is the OS getting ready to do other things, and enabling the OS to do things other than opening and reading a 6MB file). Yes, Atom isn't the most resource friendly editor out there, and nobody is claiming it is. But it is one of the more capable e…

I completely agree. I don't think opening files in atom is a big pain point for most people so I'm not sure why it's worth talking about. Advocating a text editor should be based on its purpose which is how well it is able to edit text.

Re: Why I Still Use Vim

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Post by ionised »

stouset wrote: post #117
kuschku wrote: post #55

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> Atom is a more capable "IDE" than any other IDE i've ever used That says more about you than it does about atom. You should check out the IDEA line of IDEs sometimes.

I can literally hear when my coworkers have IntelliJ open. People are here griping about Atom's memory use, but using 1GB of memory is an order of magnitude better than obliterating my battery by pegging my CPUs. No thanks.

When does IDEA do that?

I use it every day and not experienced what you are describing.

Re: Why I Still Use Vim

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Post by willvarfar »

jmilloy wrote: post #175
willvarfar wrote: post #52

I recall the Turbo Pascal text-mode IDE that left enough space to actually run the programs you were developing. The machines had 640KB RAM, and I think the IDE was using perhaps as much as 100KB. I recall using fully-featured GUI IDEs like VB, VC++ etc on machines with whopping 64MB RAM, and having enough space left to actually run the programs you were developing. I have a laptop now with 16GB RAM. The other day I…

This is a strange story. Why did you download and install Atom and decide to test it for the first time on a large log file? Did you think that was what Atom would be good at?

It happened that I installed Atom to give it a try, and one of the first things I wanted to do was look at a log file that was several MB big. I have 16GB of RAM. I was not expecting any problems.

Re: Why I Still Use Vim

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Post by c0ndu17 »

scott_o wrote: post #121
xg15 wrote: post #100

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> Atom's "extreme performance" for me is in my productivity Yet there are lots of people who are extremely productive with vim. So I don't think you can pit subjective metrics (productivity) against objective (RAM usage) here.

Why not? Its just that for the subjective metrics people will have different opinions and therefore draw different conclusions about which one is "better" Which is the OPs exact point. While some people value their editor being very light on ram, other people value other things, and that's okay.

Have you tried vim? When I say tried, attempted to actually get into it. Not accidentally open it && stack overflow how to quit. You can easily do what you mention in vim... and I have no doubt, much quicker. Let's not forget vim gives you the power of cli, in addition to all it's other text manipulation benefits.

Re: Why I Still Use Vim

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Post by tracker1 »

kuschku wrote: post #63
tracker1 wrote: post #37

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Frankly, VS Code is WAY better in terms of plugin and configuration than any of the editors you mention.. from git integration, search, integrated terminal, integrated debugging with ui driven break points, etc, not even counting plugins. None of the editors you mention support those features. It's not wasting CPU cycles, and frankly even if it is, it's better than wasting my cycles having to switch between several t…

Then try out the JetBrains IDEs, and report back. All the features, none of the slowdown. I can't believe a Java IDE is actually faster than the new default editors.

In my experience, they aren't faster... used to use WebStorm before switching to VS Code... VS Code works better, at least in my experience.

NOTE: if you're running on a hard drive based machine, then the Jetbrains IDEs may run better.

Re: Why I Still Use Vim

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Post by nimchimpsky »

christogreeff wrote: post #104
nimchimpsky wrote: post #91

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> better productivity than what ? wtf is worse than atom. Even notepad++ is better.

Better in which way? In your daily usage scenario? Memory usage? I'm sure there will be cases where Vim or notepad++ works better for me. At present, vscode works for 90%+ of the things I need to do. For my usage scenario, notepad++ is not better than vscode. Use whatever application works for you, but don't say something is better or worse, without looking at it subjectively.

why are you talking about vscode ?

Last time I used visual studio it was great, levels of magnitude better than notepad++, but not quite as good as intellij.

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