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Re: Berlin Is Becoming a Sponge City [video]

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Post by Angostura »

s3nnyy wrote: post #29
gizmo wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your argument is a total non-sequitur. Work to make a city more ecologically friendly is completely independent from whatever social problems there are. You can use this argument to oppose literally anything except for whatever issue is from your perspective the most important. You can't govern a city this way. Your claim about salaries staying the same is plainly false. See for instance https://tradingeconomics.com/…

I never said anything about inflation. Here example: Octoberfest-beer-prices doubled since 2002 (introduction of €) ( https://t.co/Y2tMS4h623 ), while wages only rose 25% ( http://www.bpb.de/nachschlagen/zahlen-und-fakten/soziale-sit... ).

Clearly the answer is to increase the proportion of the population who are Muslim, to reduce the demand for beer and bring the price down. At least, I think that's the point you were trying to make.

Re: Berlin Is Becoming a Sponge City [video]

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Post by [deleted] »

s3nnyy wrote: post #37
steveeq1 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't get it, aren't germans super-touchy about nazi issues and the holocaust? I would imagine jews would be in some sort of "protected class" status in germany, at least culturally.

They are but it's usually not Germans who beat up and insult Jews: http://www.focus.de/familie/mobbing/religioese-spannungen-en...

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Re: Berlin Is Becoming a Sponge City [video]

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Post by wongarsu »

asciimo wrote: post #26

My first thought is that it might be hard to prevent decay and leaks into the structures supporting these spongy surfaces. 80cm of water logged soil above a parking garage, for example.

Planting grass on top of parking garages isn't that unusual or new in Germany (though usually done for aesthetic reasons), so I assume this is a solved problem.

Sufficiently deep buildings and parking garages might also encounter ground water, so adding soil on top might not even add new problems to the engineering side.

Similarly, the rooftop plants are shown on rooftop designs that would already have to deal with stagnating water

Re: Berlin Is Becoming a Sponge City [video]

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Post by socialist_coder »

s3nnyy wrote: post #31
throwawayknecht wrote: post #17

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> increasing racism against Jews This is true. > Men usually wear a baseball-cap over the Kippah in public But this is right-wing bullshit. The rise in anti-Semitic crimes is used by Pegida to stir up fear of refugees, Muslims, and Islam, and it's also used by Netanyahu and the Israeli / Jewish right to encourage immigration to Israel. The reality is that the rise in anti-Semitism begins in 2014, prior to the refugee…

Ehm, you won't see any Kippah in public because Jews in Germany are scared since decades. I did not say anything about refugees or recent events although these things surely amplified the bad things already happening in Germany since a long time. Go stand next to a (usually Police guarded) Synagogue for an hour and see for yourself how guys leaving the thing put on baseball caps. Unfortunately, this is not right-wing…

I wonder how that is true given that Berlin has an extremely large and militant Antifa presence.

I can't imagine anyone getting away with a hate crime here. If your store is even suspected of selling fascist stuff it gets vandalized!

Berlin is about the biggest anti-fascist place I know.

Re: Berlin Is Becoming a Sponge City [video]

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Post by steveeq1 »

madez wrote: post #20
s3nnyy wrote: post #14

Nice project, it makes Berlin appear like a progressive, nice place to live. But actually it has so many problems that should be solved first before even thinking about things like this. For instance total failure to integrate the Muslim minority, increasing racism against Jews (Men usually wear a baseball-cap over the Kippah in public due to fear of being beaten up), prices that double each 7-10 years while salaries…

Germany as a whole has a pathetic relationship towards cultures and religions. Due to the excessive guilt-culture it is political suicide to openly criticize some obvious problems. There is also widespread over-tolerance and leniency with regards to religious or cultural excuses and demands for privileges. Germany is currently a non-secular state with strong dogmatic public-opinion in some areas.

Interesting. What, specifically, do Germans have an over-tolerance and leniency for?

Curious from a cultural perspective.

Re: Berlin Is Becoming a Sponge City [video]

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Post by fapjacks »

s3nnyy wrote: post #14

Nice project, it makes Berlin appear like a progressive, nice place to live. But actually it has so many problems that should be solved first before even thinking about things like this. For instance total failure to integrate the Muslim minority, increasing racism against Jews (Men usually wear a baseball-cap over the Kippah in public due to fear of being beaten up), prices that double each 7-10 years while salaries…

Prices doubling every 7-10 years, and Berlin is still by far the cheapest big city in Europe to do anything in. I love going to Berlin because it's so cheap to do everything.

Re: Berlin Is Becoming a Sponge City [video]

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Post by prewett »

socialist_coder wrote: post #44
s3nnyy wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ehm, you won't see any Kippah in public because Jews in Germany are scared since decades. I did not say anything about refugees or recent events although these things surely amplified the bad things already happening in Germany since a long time. Go stand next to a (usually Police guarded) Synagogue for an hour and see for yourself how guys leaving the thing put on baseball caps. Unfortunately, this is not right-wing…

I wonder how that is true given that Berlin has an extremely large and militant Antifa presence. I can't imagine anyone getting away with a hate crime here. If your store is even suspected of selling fascist stuff it gets vandalized! Berlin is about the biggest anti-fascist place I know.

Isn't forcible suppression of opposition a characteristic of fascism? Sounds like antifa are, themselves, fairly fascist.

Re: Berlin Is Becoming a Sponge City [video]

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Post by sologoub »

asciimo wrote: post #26

My first thought is that it might be hard to prevent decay and leaks into the structures supporting these spongy surfaces. 80cm of water logged soil above a parking garage, for example.

The renderings they are showing for newer plans (at 1:27 of the video) seem to indicate a soil later running a long the wall of the building, in addition to the roof. As the result water would naturally travel down that wall and into the surrounding soil, preventing the buildup on the roof and negating need for a traditional drain.

That said, what would be required to make sure no barrier formed, say from the roots system or something else is really hard to say.

You'd also need some sort of lining that would prevent the moisture from being obsorbed by the building materials themselves.

Re: Berlin Is Becoming a Sponge City [video]

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Post by notfromhere »

prewett wrote: post #47
socialist_coder wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how that is true given that Berlin has an extremely large and militant Antifa presence. I can't imagine anyone getting away with a hate crime here. If your store is even suspected of selling fascist stuff it gets vandalized! Berlin is about the biggest anti-fascist place I know.

Isn't forcible suppression of opposition a characteristic of fascism? Sounds like antifa are, themselves, fairly fascist.

can't be tolerant of intolerance if you want tolerance to survive

Re: Berlin Is Becoming a Sponge City [video]

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Post by madez »

steveeq1 wrote: post #45
madez wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Germany as a whole has a pathetic relationship towards cultures and religions. Due to the excessive guilt-culture it is political suicide to openly criticize some obvious problems. There is also widespread over-tolerance and leniency with regards to religious or cultural excuses and demands for privileges. Germany is currently a non-secular state with strong dogmatic public-opinion in some areas.

Interesting. What, specifically, do Germans have an over-tolerance and leniency for? Curious from a cultural perspective.

For example for families that don't want their girls to take part in physical education including swimming.

Another example is animal slaughter according to tradition that would be illegal due to cruelty without religious excuse.

Yet another example is permission to build mosques including permission for adhan. Without religious excuses you are not allowed to do equivalent things because it is sound pollution. A simple majority of germans is officially atheist. No, Germany doesn't need mosques just because it has churches, yet some politicians say so.

These are just some examples I'm aware of. However, I feel the underlying cause: guilt-culture. It starts with indoctrination in school and is semi-official part of the German state. I hope it will end soon.

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