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Today is the last chance to comment on the proposal to kill net neutrality

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Re: Today is the last chance to comment on the proposal to kill net neutrality

#51

That's amazing that a government would so blatantly go against the public interest. Your politicians might as well just admit they work for corporations instead of citizens. At least they're not implying they think people are stupid.

The problem is more that the public isn't interested. Only a small percentage of people know what NN even is.

Re: Today is the last chance to comment on the proposal to kill net neutrality

#52
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I'm all for everyone commenting so at least it's well known how far this FCC is going against public opinion, and encourage everyone to make their voices heard. But, and I hate to be the cynic here, does anyone really believe that even if all 323 million Americans commented in opposition to killing net neutrality, that Ajit Pai would relent? It's all but guaranteed he's going to do this. The only question is when, no…

It's cheap to comment. You and I just did it now (max time 5-10 min), just like it's cheap to participate in mail-in vote ballots as a citizen

Sorry citizen, your signature doesn't match the signature we have on file. Better luck next cycle.

Re: Today is the last chance to comment on the proposal to kill net neutrality

#54

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It's cheap to comment. You and I just did it now (max time 5-10 min), just like it's cheap to participate in mail-in vote ballots as a citizen

Sorry citizen, your signature doesn't match the signature we have on file. Better luck next cycle.

That can happen from anywhere. It's more likely to happen when you have people walking in off the street and filling out ballots.

Re: Today is the last chance to comment on the proposal to kill net neutrality

#55
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You'll be able to afford it, just be prepared to have a throttled, asymmetric upload speed to YouTube.

And when ISPs eventually resort to requiring you insert a root certificate to use the internet at all, your ISP will judge you.

Sure, but it's hypocritical for Google/Facebook/Twitter/Reddit to complain about someone else judging it in future, while they are judging it today with impunity.

We, as people, have same influence on current Google/Facebook/Twitter/Reddit censorship as we do on future Comcast/Verizon/AT&T/Charter censorship... none what so ever.

Re: Today is the last chance to comment on the proposal to kill net neutrality

#56

I soured up on Net Neutrality after seeking what YouTube/Facebook/Twitter/Reddit did to silence voices that they don't like on their platforms. How does net neutrality matter if what travels on a perfectly neutral net is controlled anyway, actually controlled much more effectively, by a very few with agenda that goes far beyond just greed for money? "Don't open and judge my TCP/IP packets. But, I will open and judge…

net neutrality ensures you can get to youtube\twitter\reddit\facebook without the ISP charging you more or throttling sites. It has nothing to to with free speech or altering the policies of individual sites. Think of it like water. Your water company doesn't care if you are flushing the toilet or taking a shower. They just give you water and charge a rate. The internet works this way now and we want to keep it that…

The slow or fast lane doesn't matter, if I am going to be denied at the destination anyway.

Re: Today is the last chance to comment on the proposal to kill net neutrality

#57

I soured up on Net Neutrality after seeking what YouTube/Facebook/Twitter/Reddit did to silence voices that they don't like on their platforms. How does net neutrality matter if what travels on a perfectly neutral net is controlled anyway, actually controlled much more effectively, by a very few with agenda that goes far beyond just greed for money? "Don't open and judge my TCP/IP packets. But, I will open and judge…

Youtube won't be able to open and judge your video uploads if you can't afford to upload a video with your ISP.

YouTube will still judge me, even if I use Comcast cable or Verizon 4G to upload the data.

Re: Today is the last chance to comment on the proposal to kill net neutrality

#58
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I'm all for everyone commenting so at least it's well known how far this FCC is going against public opinion, and encourage everyone to make their voices heard. But, and I hate to be the cynic here, does anyone really believe that even if all 323 million Americans commented in opposition to killing net neutrality, that Ajit Pai would relent? It's all but guaranteed he's going to do this. The only question is when, no…

What are the checks and balances here? He's not an elected official (so he can't be voted out), and he knows his time is up as soon as the executive branch turns blue again. So of course he will do his best to please the ISPs in whose coddling arms he will find refuge after his tenure. Best I can think of is Congress passing a law to enforce net neutrality.

I think that FCC can make some net neutrality rules, but I think the real win is if congress sets the ISP's status to title II common carrier. We already have the laws for that, they've just never been able to get it through so instead we are at the whim of the guy in office at the FCC

Re: Today is the last chance to comment on the proposal to kill net neutrality

#59
post #3

I'm all for everyone commenting so at least it's well known how far this FCC is going against public opinion, and encourage everyone to make their voices heard. But, and I hate to be the cynic here, does anyone really believe that even if all 323 million Americans commented in opposition to killing net neutrality, that Ajit Pai would relent? It's all but guaranteed he's going to do this. The only question is when, no…

There's nothing wrong with being cynical in this case, the FCC's politics are quite clearly in favor of those who want internet asymmetry, to slow or outright ban certain content on their infrastructure, to permit the charging of higher fees not based on usage but on content, and so on. This is the very definition of self-interest, and it's not democratic. So there's no reason to hate being a cynic, it's completely rational.

Re: Today is the last chance to comment on the proposal to kill net neutrality

#60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

net neutrality ensures you can get to youtube\twitter\reddit\facebook without the ISP charging you more or throttling sites. It has nothing to to with free speech or altering the policies of individual sites. Think of it like water. Your water company doesn't care if you are flushing the toilet or taking a shower. They just give you water and charge a rate. The internet works this way now and we want to keep it that…

The slow or fast lane doesn't matter, if I am going to be denied at the destination anyway.

Free speech only protects you from government persecution. It doesn't control how owners of private property react.

You are still going to get banned and moderated, it will just be a lot slower and a lot more expensive for you.

And if you keep getting denied you should probably try and find out why people find you so toxic and repulsive.

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