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PhD Productivity Strategy: Do Deep Work in Less Hours

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Re: PhD Productivity Strategy: Do Deep Work in Less Hours

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The biggest thing I noticed when starting my PhD was all the first and second years derping around not doing much, all the third years panicking and "just getting going" and all the 4th and 5th years really grinding. So, I inverted that and worked my ass off like I was still an undergrad in the first 18 months, toned it down for the next year and submitted my thesis at 2 years 10 months (the earliest my university wo…

I want to second Xaa's point. When I was a PhD student, my advisor told me to enjoy the time because I was free from concerns like funding. We were poorly paid, but it was a good time to just be able to concentrate on research. It was common for people in my physics program to take 6 years to finish. But I wouldn't say that most of us "derped" around. During my PhD, I had a portfolio of projects--some that I thought had a high likelihood of success and others that could (and sometimes did) fail miserably.

As Xaa mentioned for NIH, there are clocks that start ticking after your PhD. This is true for other funding agencies as well. Also, when it's time to start hiring faculty, the fact that someone took 3 years vs 7 years for their PhD is not as important as their publication record and their plans for future research. We recently brought on a guy with 80+ publications (with a large number of those high impact) during his PhD and one postdoc.

I think "rushing" to finish isn't a worthwhile goal (even though I will admit that when I was a student, the stipend was horribly low, so there was a huge opportunity cost for those who decided to do something else later). Being productive during your time is worthwhile. Asking yourself if you are still being productive or if it's time to move on is productive. Not being a technician during your PhD is worthwhile. In that sense, the article has some good advice about taking time out to think. But, in some fields you sometimes just have to grind it out. Say for example, someone is doing an x-ray experiment at a synchotron, or doing MBE synthesis, there are times you just have to put in the hours to get results.

Re: PhD Productivity Strategy: Do Deep Work in Less Hours

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I have tried most productivity hacks. In the end what worked best is the Pomodoro 25/5.

Same here, that and keeping a written record of the tasks I'm specifically working on means I have a good track of what I've done and what I need to do next.

I must look pretty special with the amount of notes I take, but it's literally the only way I keep myself honest.

Re: PhD Productivity Strategy: Do Deep Work in Less Hours

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This is stupid advice with sole purpose of keeping students engaged in publishing incremental research. So that no one questions vanity metrics like H-index and the ridiculous condition of academic research. As a PhD student the real secret strategy is to ignore academia, work only on very high impact projects ( with potential of becoming startups or revolutionizing the field), intern with production teams (in core a…

Production teams at great companies seems to assume this is a Phd in something applied. Theorical Phds exists as well (e.g. pure maths)

Hedge funds, prop trading etc. do hire from math heavy background. But I agree.

My advice is only good for CS or similar (ECE, Data Science) PhD's.

Re: PhD Productivity Strategy: Do Deep Work in Less Hours

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>I'm a little confused, has this person contributed to science in any significant way ? If not why should we listen to this person and ignore scientists who have actually achieved success in their field ? It's a fair question. But be warned: You're not going to get a much less diverse set of answers from them, though. I would suggest also listening to scientists who established themselves 30+ years ago. You'll likely…

I largely agree with this, but in some fields I also think it is an over supply of PhD problem as well.

>I largely agree with this, but in some fields I also think it is an over supply of PhD problem as well.

Looking abstractly at the "market", you are right. Asking a person on a tenure track committee why they're forcing newer hires to do a lot more than they ever had to do to get tenure, and getting that answer, is problematic.

Nothing in the market is forcing the hand of the person on the committee. Nothing. It is the equivalent of "I'm being a nasty jerk because I can." The market helps in him being nasty, but it is his/her choice to be so.

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Could you explain what you mean? In terms of time spent? Level of knowledge in the subject area?

Americans tend to look down on anyone who has a doctorate from anywhere in Europe that isn't Oxford or Cambridge. I'm not sure it's justified, but there you go.

> Americans tend to look down on anyone who has a doctorate from anywhere in Europe that isn't Oxford or Cambridge.

Look, this just isn't true. I've heard it repeated a lot online, but I've never encountered it myself.

For context, I have a UK PhD, not from Oxford or Cambridge, and I got hired as a postdoc in a top-10 school in the US doing really exciting research.

There are differences between PhDs in US and the UK and Europe, but the differences are complex... there's no clear answer that one is better over the other.

It's a little unfortunate, because I've known Americans who were put off a UK-based PhD because they think professors look down on them, but I've seen little evidence to back it up. My colleagues come from all over the world, and they're all super smart, and everyone's treated equally and with respect. When it comes down to it, the quality of your research, and your ability to work hard, is far more important than what country or institution you're from.

(There are also a lot of anecdotes out there... in this thread, someone who completed early (congrats btw!), someone else with 20+ papers... you can be guaranteed there are people reading this thread who might be discouraged reading this. The one unifying factor with PhDs is that personal experience is highly variable, and artificial targets (finish in x years with y papers etc.) do not correlate with later success or the value of your research. So for anyone still slogging through who's reading this, good luck!)

Re: PhD Productivity Strategy: Do Deep Work in Less Hours

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As a current PhD student in a highly competitive program, I wish I could say this is reasonable advice, but it's wishful thinking in the hyper-competitive environment at top tier universities (where the goal of a PhD student would be to graduate as faculty material). There is just no way around grinding out the experiments. You literally have to will something to work in multi-month long pushes where you iterate agai…

>You literally have to will something to work in multi-month long pushes where you iterate again and again until you figure it out. Or instead of iterating 5 times, you take your time and do it right on the 2nd attempt, figuring it out in 1/3 of the time. Hurrying only leads to mistakes. It makes no more sense than attempting to continue working when you really need to go to the bathroom. You are are a human being an…

> Or instead of iterating 5 times, you take your time and do it right on the 2nd attempt, figuring it out in 1/3 of the time. Hurrying only leads to mistakes.

In an abstract sense this is true, but there are some fields were you do just have to do it again, and again, and again. I know an exceptionally smart biochemist who routinely has 16 hour days. There's no substitute.

In my own field, someone who would later go on to win a Nobel for the work, was working on something that simply required a huge amount of time and iteration to get right. This is often the case.

This is not true in all fields, of course. I just want to caution against extrapolating from experience in one field to all PhDs, which is the sense I get from a lot of comments in this thread.

Re: PhD Productivity Strategy: Do Deep Work in Less Hours

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PhD in Grammar Nazism?

If this were actually a thing, you wouldn't need to capitalize the the G in grammar.

Wouldn't it be if it were the title of a Ph.D. program? I definitely forgot the dots though.

Re: PhD Productivity Strategy: Do Deep Work in Less Hours

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Same here. I think the reason it bugs me so much is because my mind views it as a type error: int fewer; float less; is how I tend to remember the distinction. (Fortunately in my family, my wife is the language nerd who first called me on my misuse many years ago. Now I notice it everywhere too. It's weirdly viral.)

I don't think that's quite right. For example, hours can be non-integer-valued (as in "three and a half hours"). The distinction is that "less" is used only for mass nouns (e.g., "less water").

True, but as a heuristic I it is safe to say that if you'd use integer units to represent a quantity then you should use "fewer" rather than "less". That tends to capture the majority of cases for using "fewer". Admittedly, the discrete but non-integer-valued cases are a bit more nuanced.

(And yes, I do realize that the actual definition is in terms of mass vs. countable nouns.)

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I admit I logged in to HN to make the same grammar correction. Fewer/Less grammar errors bug me badly. I don't know why this particular grammatical error bugs me so, but every time I encounter it, I have an inner voice that yells 'fewer.' My family hates me for it.

Same here. I think the reason it bugs me so much is because my mind views it as a type error: int fewer; float less; is how I tend to remember the distinction. (Fortunately in my family, my wife is the language nerd who first called me on my misuse many years ago. Now I notice it everywhere too. It's weirdly viral.)

Fewer is for things that can be counted in numbers. Less is for non-numbered things. It's so easy that it really disturbs me when people get it wrong.

Fewer people. Fewer zoos. Fewer cigarettes. Less hatred. Less abuse. Less misuse of power.

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