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Internet access is now a basic human right (2016)

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Re: Internet access is now a basic human right (2016)

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I negotiated this resolution on behalf of a UN government. The title is very misleading. The resolution states that human rights are applicable on the internet, not that access to the internet is a human right.

Cool

When are you going to charge Google/Twitter/Facebook/Reddit for banning speech that they don't like on the Internet?

Is Free Speech a human right according to UN?

Is criticism of religion, or ideology, included in that right?

Re: Internet access is now a basic human right (2016)

#12

I negotiated this resolution on behalf of a UN government. The title is very misleading. The resolution states that human rights are applicable on the internet, not that access to the internet is a human right.

Also, the original resolution was passed in 2012 under the document name A/HRC/RES/20/8. It is biannualised and reintroduced every two years in the Human Rights Council. The original resolution is more crisp and concise. The 2016 version was a compromise between many different interests. There is a section on the importance of applying a human-rights based approach when providing the internet, but this does not mean that internet access is a human right.

Re: Internet access is now a basic human right (2016)

#13

I negotiated this resolution on behalf of a UN government. The title is very misleading. The resolution states that human rights are applicable on the internet, not that access to the internet is a human right.

Cool When are you going to charge Google/Twitter/Facebook/Reddit for banning speech that they don't like on the Internet? Is Free Speech a human right according to UN? Is criticism of religion, or ideology, included in that right?

1) That would be a question for US courts, as all those companies are based in the us.

2) Yes.

3) Yes.

Re: Internet access is now a basic human right (2016)

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I don't think internet access is a human right, a simple test is if the internet goes down are my rights being violated? Can you really put this in the same category as the right to pursue happiness or health? or the right to defend yourself? Classifying everything as a right is super fun and feels important but it actually takes away from the actual human rights. Health care is another example - do you have the righ…

Fair access to the internet, however, feels to me more like a right. If the government shuts down cellular internet access at protest sites, it feels like a violation of rights.

Re: Internet access is now a basic human right (2016)

#16

I negotiated this resolution on behalf of a UN government. The title is very misleading. The resolution states that human rights are applicable on the internet, not that access to the internet is a human right.

Cool When are you going to charge Google/Twitter/Facebook/Reddit for banning speech that they don't like on the Internet? Is Free Speech a human right according to UN? Is criticism of religion, or ideology, included in that right?

Who do you imagine you're talking to?

Re: Internet access is now a basic human right (2016)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cool When are you going to charge Google/Twitter/Facebook/Reddit for banning speech that they don't like on the Internet? Is Free Speech a human right according to UN? Is criticism of religion, or ideology, included in that right?

1) That would be a question for US courts, as all those companies are based in the us. 2) Yes. 3) Yes.

http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/

Re: Internet access is now a basic human right (2016)

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I don't think internet access is a human right, a simple test is if the internet goes down are my rights being violated? Can you really put this in the same category as the right to pursue happiness or health? or the right to defend yourself? Classifying everything as a right is super fun and feels important but it actually takes away from the actual human rights. Health care is another example - do you have the righ…

Food or shelter are not produced for free either, and they are still widely accepted human rights. Of course it's clear that one cannot just go and label arbitrarily expensive things as human rights, but of course guaranteeing human rights can take a nontrivial amount of work.

This does not mean anyone should "work for free", states and other administrations are supposed to guarantee human rights and they can pay for that work.

Re: Internet access is now a basic human right (2016)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Should those people work for free so that a poor persons rights are not violated? Just because something is a human right, doesn't mean society (or whoever else) has to provide that for free.

The point is that _rights_ ought to be things that, in the absence of a society, you already _have_. (Life, liberty, right to property, etc) They are things that a just society is obligated to not take _away_ from you. Things that a just and wealthy society should be able to provide _for_ its citizens (health care, economic security, etc), are laudable and highly important goals. They are not rights though -- not bec…

Your comment flies in the face of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which certainly features medical care and education.

Re: Internet access is now a basic human right (2016)

#20

I negotiated this resolution on behalf of a UN government. The title is very misleading. The resolution states that human rights are applicable on the internet, not that access to the internet is a human right.

Cool When are you going to charge Google/Twitter/Facebook/Reddit for banning speech that they don't like on the Internet? Is Free Speech a human right according to UN? Is criticism of religion, or ideology, included in that right?

I presumed this wouldn't apply, but article 19 does look interesting.

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Article 19

Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

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There may actually be a case for the US needing to change their laws to extend free-speech protections to things that happen on the internet. But that's a whole separate issue. Maybe something the EFF would be interested in?

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