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Today is the last chance to comment on the proposal to kill net neutrality

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Re: Today is the last chance to comment on the proposal to kill net neutrality

#31

It's unfair to ISPs (some of it is their own doing like introducing "unlimited data" purely based on the assumption that most users wouldn't use their data at the same time, which companies like Google and Netflix capitalized on by building high bandwidth services on top of it) but since Google and Netflix are capable of manipulating consent of internet users and will not let FCC rollback "net neutrality", ISPs will…

Why not give good service and pass costs to customers?

Why?

1. They don't have to give good service. Most are monopolies.

2. They already do pass all costs, and all profit margins created, to customers.

3. They want higher profit margins than currently being squeezed.

4. They want more entities to pay them. New classes of customers.

5. Deeper the pockets and fewer the paying entities, easier it would be for ISPs. HBO charges the Cable providers, for long long time HBO didn't allow individuals to buy directly from them, subscribing through a Cable provider was the only option. It allowed HBO to have a simple money supply from big entities with deep pockets which were easy to control. HBO could simply terminate one cable provider. Comcast can simply terminate preferential treatment to Vimeo if they didn't pay. Much easier than sending 4th reminder and collection notice to 65 year old Mrs. Smith.

Re: Today is the last chance to comment on the proposal to kill net neutrality

#32

It's unfair to ISPs (some of it is their own doing like introducing "unlimited data" purely based on the assumption that most users wouldn't use their data at the same time, which companies like Google and Netflix capitalized on by building high bandwidth services on top of it) but since Google and Netflix are capable of manipulating consent of internet users and will not let FCC rollback "net neutrality", ISPs will…

Why not give good service and pass costs to customers?

Because ISPs in the US have monopolies over their areas. There is no incentive to provide good service when you have no competition.

Re: Today is the last chance to comment on the proposal to kill net neutrality

#33

I soured up on Net Neutrality after seeking what YouTube/Facebook/Twitter/Reddit did to silence voices that they don't like on their platforms. How does net neutrality matter if what travels on a perfectly neutral net is controlled anyway, actually controlled much more effectively, by a very few with agenda that goes far beyond just greed for money? "Don't open and judge my TCP/IP packets. But, I will open and judge…

Youtube won't be able to open and judge your video uploads if you can't afford to upload a video with your ISP.

Re: Today is the last chance to comment on the proposal to kill net neutrality

#35
post #3

I'm all for everyone commenting so at least it's well known how far this FCC is going against public opinion, and encourage everyone to make their voices heard. But, and I hate to be the cynic here, does anyone really believe that even if all 323 million Americans commented in opposition to killing net neutrality, that Ajit Pai would relent? It's all but guaranteed he's going to do this. The only question is when, no…

This is just a microcosm of the greater political climate created in the US over the past 40 or so years. Business interests completely control every single legislative decision made. We're all just along for the ride now.

This is the great tragedy of American democracy through all its history.

One camp sees that there are big businesses that have achieved rentier positions in the economy and advocates passing laws or using force to punish them.

The other camp sees that it is usually federal rules + global competition which created behemoths in the first place and advocates against further restrictive laws.

The two camps fight about whether there should be more rules or less. Meanwhile the problems are left to fester until the next crisis, when the New Rules are able to win.

The civil war, the banking crises of the industrial revolution, the Great Depression, and the "great" recession, etc.

Re: Today is the last chance to comment on the proposal to kill net neutrality

#36

I soured up on Net Neutrality after seeking what YouTube/Facebook/Twitter/Reddit did to silence voices that they don't like on their platforms. How does net neutrality matter if what travels on a perfectly neutral net is controlled anyway, actually controlled much more effectively, by a very few with agenda that goes far beyond just greed for money? "Don't open and judge my TCP/IP packets. But, I will open and judge…

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Re: Today is the last chance to comment on the proposal to kill net neutrality

#37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is just a microcosm of the greater political climate created in the US over the past 40 or so years. Business interests completely control every single legislative decision made. We're all just along for the ride now.

There's an interesting essay about democracy in America (well, there are hundreds if not thousands probably) but what's unique is that it's a criticism levelled against the idea of democratic pluralism, and from where it emerges - the 'tolerance' of the democracy, the idea that rather than the individual action expounded by the classical liberals (for all their faults) there is now a system in which representative vo…

Do you maybe care for a tl;dr?

I see, that it's not long (124 small form pages), but I'm very interested in what do you [or others] think of the essence of the essays, what are the insights that it gives to the reader. What was unexpected? What was expected?

I also see that it's from 1968. How has it aged?

Re: Today is the last chance to comment on the proposal to kill net neutrality

#38
post #3

I'm all for everyone commenting so at least it's well known how far this FCC is going against public opinion, and encourage everyone to make their voices heard. But, and I hate to be the cynic here, does anyone really believe that even if all 323 million Americans commented in opposition to killing net neutrality, that Ajit Pai would relent? It's all but guaranteed he's going to do this. The only question is when, no…

It's cheap to comment. You and I just did it now (max time 5-10 min), just like it's cheap to participate in mail-in vote ballots as a citizen

Re: Today is the last chance to comment on the proposal to kill net neutrality

#39

I soured up on Net Neutrality after seeking what YouTube/Facebook/Twitter/Reddit did to silence voices that they don't like on their platforms. How does net neutrality matter if what travels on a perfectly neutral net is controlled anyway, actually controlled much more effectively, by a very few with agenda that goes far beyond just greed for money? "Don't open and judge my TCP/IP packets. But, I will open and judge…

None of what you're describing really has anything to do with net neutrality. And getting rid of net neutrality would only weaken alternative outlets.

I'm thinking the problem you had with these services might have been your own fault, judging by your approach here.

Re: Today is the last chance to comment on the proposal to kill net neutrality

#40
post #30

Why does it matter when domain registrars can simply yank domains for posting speech they don't like?

Individual domain registrars do not have a monopoly, nor is it apparent that they collude against free speech. ISPs do have local monopolies, and do act against net neutrality.
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