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Harvey Didn't Come Out of the Blue. Now Is the Time to Talk about Climate Change

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Re: Harvey Didn't Come Out of the Blue. Now Is the Time to Talk about Climate Change

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Post by DennisP »

Turing_Machine wrote: post #49
chiph wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps not more likely, but since they run on heat, hurricanes could possibly become stronger in the future. I haven't seen any articles which reference research on this, as it's hard to filter out the ones with bias (in either direction).

"Perhaps not more likely, but since they run on heat, hurricanes could possibly become stronger in the future." They run on heat differential , like any heat engine. A uniform global temperature increase would likely have minimal effects.

But the poles heat up faster than the equator, so we actually do have an increased differential.

Edit: apparently someone doesn't believe me. Here's a source: http://www.npr.org/2014/12/18/371438087/arctic-is-warming-tw...

Re: Harvey Didn't Come Out of the Blue. Now Is the Time to Talk about Climate Change

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Post by reitanqild »

mercurysmessage wrote: post #60
reitanqild wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually the following facts are true: - western families have fewer kids - some politicians - at least in some countries in the West - tells people we need immigration You might not like it and as usual correlation doesn't prove causation. That still doesn't give you the right to be uncivil here.

Uncivil? The uncivil one is the the one who spends most of his time on HN spouting ignorant anti-immigration rhetoric.

S/he was pointing out facts.

And s/he did so without accusing anyone of being "unfounded, ignorant".

And without accusing anyone of being "so locked into your position that it doesn't matter what you are shown, you will ignore it and instead fall back to your ignorant position."

Was it anti-immigration? I guess so. Was it off topic? Possibly, I'll let the mods decide.

But you are the one who bring the accusations.

Re: Harvey Didn't Come Out of the Blue. Now Is the Time to Talk about Climate Change

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Post by mercurysmessage »

DarkKomunalec wrote: post #41
mercurysmessage wrote: post #33

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> All that happened is we were told we need immigration instead. You say this everywhere, we discussed this already. You have an unfounded, ignorant view of immigration. You are so locked into your position that it doesn't matter what you are shown, you will ignore it and instead fall back to your ignorant position. And please, tell me why a tech news aggregator is the place for ignorant anti-immigration rhetoric?

So the error is... where? If you think I am beyond saving, at least point it out for the sake of any not-yet-lost souls reading.

What is wrong with immigration? What do you have against people looking to move to new countries. When someone moves, they pay taxes, they work, they contribute to society.

It's not easy to immigrate, and often smarter, better educated people are the ones who get to immigrate. It's a benefit for the country that gets a lot of immigrants (i.e. The US benefits from this a lot), and a detriment to the country that loses them. Often called brain drain.

Employers can choose who to hire, a smart employer won't care if the candidate is born in the same country as you, it has absolutely no bearing on their quality as a human, or the work they complete.

If you live in North America, aside from the aboriginals, everyone is descended from, or directly an immigrant. What makes you so much better than someone else looking to move?

Again, a tech news aggregator is not a place for ignorant opinions on, frankly, humans.

You also haven't answered why you feel this way.

Re: Harvey Didn't Come Out of the Blue. Now Is the Time to Talk about Climate Change

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Post by reitanqild »

mercurysmessage wrote: post #63
DarkKomunalec wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So the error is... where? If you think I am beyond saving, at least point it out for the sake of any not-yet-lost souls reading.

What is wrong with immigration? What do you have against people looking to move to new countries. When someone moves, they pay taxes, they work, they contribute to society. It's not easy to immigrate, and often smarter, better educated people are the ones who get to immigrate. It's a benefit for the country that gets a lot of immigrants (i.e. The US benefits from this a lot), and a detriment to the country that loses…

What is wrong with immigration?

Aren't you are attacking him for something he didn't say here?

Re: Harvey Didn't Come Out of the Blue. Now Is the Time to Talk about Climate Change

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Post by mercurysmessage »

reitanqild wrote: post #62
mercurysmessage wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uncivil? The uncivil one is the the one who spends most of his time on HN spouting ignorant anti-immigration rhetoric.

S/he was pointing out facts. And s/he did so without accusing anyone of being "unfounded, ignorant". And without accusing anyone of being "so locked into your position that it doesn't matter what you are shown, you will ignore it and instead fall back to your ignorant position." Was it anti-immigration? I guess so. Was it off topic? Possibly, I'll let the mods decide. But you are the one who bring the accusations.

An anti-immigrant stance is by definition unfounded and ignorant.

I know s/he is locked in their position because of how often they bring it up in threads all over HN.

It doesn't matter if I'm making an accusation. The other poster comments frequently on immigration on HN.

Re: Harvey Didn't Come Out of the Blue. Now Is the Time to Talk about Climate Change

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Post by mercurysmessage »

reitanqild wrote: post #64
mercurysmessage wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is wrong with immigration? What do you have against people looking to move to new countries. When someone moves, they pay taxes, they work, they contribute to society. It's not easy to immigrate, and often smarter, better educated people are the ones who get to immigrate. It's a benefit for the country that gets a lot of immigrants (i.e. The US benefits from this a lot), and a detriment to the country that loses…

What is wrong with immigration? Aren't you are attacking him for something he didn't say here?

Why are you defending this person so much here?

> All that happened is we were told we need immigration instead

What do you infer from this? It's pretty obvious.

This isn't the first time I've ran into this person.

Re: Harvey Didn't Come Out of the Blue. Now Is the Time to Talk about Climate Change

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Post by reitanqild »

mercurysmessage wrote: post #66
reitanqild wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is wrong with immigration? Aren't you are attacking him for something he didn't say here?

Why are you defending this person so much here? > All that happened is we were told we need immigration instead What do you infer from this? It's pretty obvious. This isn't the first time I've ran into this person.

Why are you defending this person so much here?

Because it seems you don’t even care to read before you attack.

As I mentioned before the facts are correct at least where I live.

The conclusions you can draw aren't necessarily correct.

But I think it would be correct to say that reducing the number of "native" westerners wouldn't help if they were replaced by an equal amount of other people with the same level of consumption.

Re: Harvey Didn't Come Out of the Blue. Now Is the Time to Talk about Climate Change

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Post by reitanqild »

mercurysmessage wrote: post #65
reitanqild wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

S/he was pointing out facts. And s/he did so without accusing anyone of being "unfounded, ignorant". And without accusing anyone of being "so locked into your position that it doesn't matter what you are shown, you will ignore it and instead fall back to your ignorant position." Was it anti-immigration? I guess so. Was it off topic? Possibly, I'll let the mods decide. But you are the one who bring the accusations.

An anti-immigrant stance is by definition unfounded and ignorant. I know s/he is locked in their position because of how often they bring it up in threads all over HN . It doesn't matter if I'm making an accusation. The other poster comments frequently on immigration on HN.

An anti-immigrant stance is by definition unfounded and ignorant.

This is plain wrong (edit: as can be proved by looking up the definitions.)

If you said racist, then I would agree.

But there are a number of good reasons to be sceptical to certain kinds of large scale migrations.

Edit:

I know s/he is locked in their position because of how often they bring it up in threads all over HN.

You have just admitted to the same in this very thread.

It doesn't matter if I'm making an accusation. The other poster comments frequently on immigration on HN.

Commenting on immigration is not a crime. If you think a comment is somehow against the guidelines then flag it: the mods here are pretty fair (and can flame people way better than anyone of us).

Re: Harvey Didn't Come Out of the Blue. Now Is the Time to Talk about Climate Change

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Post by DarkKomunalec »

mercurysmessage wrote: post #63
DarkKomunalec wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So the error is... where? If you think I am beyond saving, at least point it out for the sake of any not-yet-lost souls reading.

What is wrong with immigration? What do you have against people looking to move to new countries. When someone moves, they pay taxes, they work, they contribute to society. It's not easy to immigrate, and often smarter, better educated people are the ones who get to immigrate. It's a benefit for the country that gets a lot of immigrants (i.e. The US benefits from this a lot), and a detriment to the country that loses…

> You also haven't answered why you feel this way.

My feelings are irrelevant - they make my points neither more nor less valid.

Re: Harvey Didn't Come Out of the Blue. Now Is the Time to Talk about Climate Change

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Post by mercurysmessage »

reitanqild wrote: post #68
mercurysmessage wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An anti-immigrant stance is by definition unfounded and ignorant. I know s/he is locked in their position because of how often they bring it up in threads all over HN . It doesn't matter if I'm making an accusation. The other poster comments frequently on immigration on HN.

An anti-immigrant stance is by definition unfounded and ignorant. This is plain wrong (edit: as can be proved by looking up the definitions.) If you said racist, then I would agree. But there are a number of good reasons to be sceptical to certain kinds of large scale migrations. Edit: I know s/he is locked in their position because of how often they bring it up in threads all over HN. You have just admitted to the s…

Well, racist requires there to be race so I'd argue xenophobic rather than racist, but how is that not ignorant?

Where was large scale migration ever mentioned? It's hard to migrate, that is a fact.

>Commenting on immigration is not a crime.

Neither is replying to a comment on immigration.

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