If you nationalise Google and Amazon, say good bye to innovation.
We Need to Nationalise Google, Facebook and Amazon
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#182Did he bother thinking about what Google, Facebook and Amazon thought of the idea? Google is the worldwide leader in search because they have an army of the world's brightest engineers working 24/7 on improving their algorithms... Why would those people continue working if you seize their company and tell them they're now public employees? If they wanted to be public employees, don't you think they'd be doing that already? We are, after all, talking about people who have their pick of pretty much any job they want. Google isn't a product that you can bottle up or store in a warehouse. It's made of people. People who might have other opinions.
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#183I think a lot of the "oh my gosh nationalisation is such an awful idea" / "not in my free society" comments are missing the point. I too believe nationalisation is a bad idea in this case , but given the enormous reaction it would bring, can you imagine how awful the situation appears to be from the authors (any many other non-tech-bubble) peoples perspective to even contemplate such a thing? Let alone write an opini…
> I think a lot of the "oh my gosh nationalisation is such an awful idea" / "not in my free society" comments are missing the point. They really aren't. Far larger, more entrenched monopolies have existed before; when they needed to be resolved, they were simply broken up. Suggesting to nationalize them is not only entirely unnecessary, it contradicts decades of experience in dealing with monopolies. IMHO, nationaliz…
The new problem here is that the centralization is pretty much the core value of these companies. Breaking them up would destroy that value. A way around is to first standardize and open all the protocols on which they internally operate, and then split them. But you could say that the standardization is in a way an indirect nationalization. If email was run by a company, it would easily be amongst the richest companies in the world.
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#184As someone who owns stocks of Google and Amazon, I'd like to compare the effect the title of this article had on me, to what a woman would feel if she stumbled upon an article titled "We need to legalize rape : here is why."
I'm all for free speech, but this guy is dancing on a thin line.
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#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
Things are awful because someone wrote an opinion piece in the newspaper? I heartily disagree that anyone should "detect a consensus" from leftists preaching expropriation. That's just an ordinary activity for them. Nick Srnicek may be shouting a bit louder than most from his pulpit in The Guardian, but that has as little to do with truth as his article has to do with reason. Google, Facebook, and Amazon are just fas…
>>Bread and circuses. This is the circus part. I think perhaps you should look up what "bread and circus" actually means, because it's not what you think it is.
or does he...
Perhaps like in the matrix where Neo was in his own little mind trap where he was the "One" while the machines still had control.
or inception where your in a dream inside of a dream...
...maybe arguing about this BS is the circus deju to keep people from really getting involved and actually effecting change in the world.
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#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Facebook is a chat/opinion/vanity medium, are we really saying that losing facebook (or whatsapp or whatever) access is a national emergency? Not a direct answer, but this triggered me to wonder how many relations/connections would be lost because people have no other details of each other than what's on facebook.
Sadly that's true, but the blame for this single point of failure falls entirely on those people. In this day and age it's inexcusable not to have multiple ways to contact people you care about.
I don't think it's fair to individualize the problem in that way. Just like yesterday with our security thread, it's not reasonable to expect every individual to go to the extremes necessary to prevent data leakage. There's plenty of excuses and the one you're most likely to get is "I didn't think it was a problem" or maybe "I have a busy life, how can I be expected to do/know that?"
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#187Relevant is this quote from another link recently posted here on HN: https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2017/08/when-it-comes...
"Europe has more stringent privacy regulations than the United States. In general, Americans tend to mistrust government and trust corporations. Europeans tend to trust government and mistrust corporations. The result is that there are more controls over government surveillance in the U.S. than in Europe. On the other hand, Europe constrains its corporations to a much greater degree than the U.S. does. U.S. law has a hands-off way of treating internet companies. Computerized systems, for example, are exempt from many normal product-liability laws. This was originally done out of the fear of stifling innovation."
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#188I think a lot of the "oh my gosh nationalisation is such an awful idea" / "not in my free society" comments are missing the point. I too believe nationalisation is a bad idea in this case , but given the enormous reaction it would bring, can you imagine how awful the situation appears to be from the authors (any many other non-tech-bubble) peoples perspective to even contemplate such a thing? Let alone write an opini…
You seem to be saying there's a high threshold for extreme opinions to be published in the Guardian, so the fact that someone wrote such an article suggests that there is a genuine problem that needs to be taken seriously. Guardian writers do not live inside a "bubble" and therefore, there is inherent merit to what they write. I wonder how often you actually read the Guardian, which is famous for having wildly extrem…
> It's basically the Breitbart of the left
Please. The Guardian is establishment liberal media. The opinions they publish aren't even that extreme. There are plenty of journals that are far more radical and much further to the left.
It's funny how conservative HN looks when posts like this appear.
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#189As someone who owns stocks of Google and Amazon, I'd like to compare the effect the title of this article had on me, to what a woman would feel if she stumbled upon an article titled "We need to legalize rape : here is why." I'm all for free speech, but this guy is dancing on a thin line.
That's a really terrible comparison, and you should be ashamed of yourself.
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#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I think a lot of the "oh my gosh nationalisation is such an awful idea" / "not in my free society" comments are missing the point. They really aren't. Far larger, more entrenched monopolies have existed before; when they needed to be resolved, they were simply broken up. Suggesting to nationalize them is not only entirely unnecessary, it contradicts decades of experience in dealing with monopolies. IMHO, nationaliz…
The new problem here is that the centralization is pretty much the core value of these companies. Breaking them up would destroy that value. A way around is to first standardize and open all the protocols on which they internally operate, and then split them. But you could say that the standardization is in a way an indirect nationalization. If email was run by a company, it would easily be amongst the richest compan…
centralization isn't the problem, bundling is.
advertising with communication.
privacy with contact management
web index with advertising.
content creation and distribution with advertising marketplace.
product distribution with product marketplace with eCommerce store.
Data storage with advertising
...the list goes one.