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We Need to Nationalise Google, Facebook and Amazon

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Re: We Need to Nationalise Google, Facebook and Amazon

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post #18

I think a lot of the "oh my gosh nationalisation is such an awful idea" / "not in my free society" comments are missing the point. I too believe nationalisation is a bad idea in this case , but given the enormous reaction it would bring, can you imagine how awful the situation appears to be from the authors (any many other non-tech-bubble) peoples perspective to even contemplate such a thing? Let alone write an opini…

Or maybe author wants strong reaction, clickbait or dont care. There will be backslash against tech arrogance, sure, but there is no need for it to involve nationalisation.

Re: We Need to Nationalise Google, Facebook and Amazon

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post #18

I think a lot of the "oh my gosh nationalisation is such an awful idea" / "not in my free society" comments are missing the point. I too believe nationalisation is a bad idea in this case , but given the enormous reaction it would bring, can you imagine how awful the situation appears to be from the authors (any many other non-tech-bubble) peoples perspective to even contemplate such a thing? Let alone write an opini…

You seem to be saying there's a high threshold for extreme opinions to be published in the Guardian, so the fact that someone wrote such an article suggests that there is a genuine problem that needs to be taken seriously. Guardian writers do not live inside a "bubble" and therefore, there is inherent merit to what they write.

I wonder how often you actually read the Guardian, which is famous for having wildly extreme opinion pieces, especially lately. It's basically the Breitbart of the left, a more or less constant stream of clickbait designed to make people angry and upset.

Just a few random headlines I got from clicking around just now:

"Who paid for the leave vote? Brexit should be halted until we know"

"The car has a chokehold on Britain. It’s time to free ourselves: Our insanely inefficient transport system is in thrall to the metal god. Electric vehicles are not the answer"

"Ask Hadley: Why do older people hate millennials so much?"

"Men on the left are sexist. Labour needs to do more to fix it."

"Feminists don't hate men. But it wouldn't matter if we did."

... and in case you think asking the government to take control of internet companies is new idea from Guardian writers:

"The Guardian view on censoring the internet: necessary, but not easy"

"Internet regulation: is it time to rein in the tech giants?"

"The EU is right to take on Facebook, but mere fines don’t protect us from tech giants"

I wouldn't exactly claim the Guardian floats above bubbles and groupthinks.

Re: We Need to Nationalise Google, Facebook and Amazon

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post #36
post #17

Actually, I think behind the nationalisation idea, which doesn't seem workable given the circumstances, there's an interesting thought: these companies are sitting on basic infrastructure so instead of treating them like other companies, perhaps we should treat them like utilities. Note that this piece appears in The Guardian. I don't know how it works in the US, but I'm of the impression that in many European countr…

This would also make me a lot happier about sharing info with said companies. Right now I avoid their products (the non-open source ones) because they just have too much market share and power, but if a site like Facebook turned non-profit I'd be much happier to use it. It just sounds like a great idea all around.

Honestly I'd be more worried about nation states having access to the information held on Facebook and Google than I would private corporations.

Re: We Need to Nationalise Google, Facebook and Amazon

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Why doesn't the author mention Microsoft? Why hasn't anyone else mentioned Microsoft in the comments?

Mobile might be what people use most of the time. But for productivity, specialty applications (X-Ray software, billing, medical applications, scientific, tool software, video editing, 3d rendering, ATMs, cash registers) Windows dominates. There is a huge body of software that can not be used on mobile.

Bill Gates threatened to withdraw Windows from the market during the anti-trust trial. I assumed this would also include security patches and key registration. This would have threatened millions of businesses and government services. If you can have any argument against a tech company operating against the public interest you have to include Microsoft.

Re: We Need to Nationalise Google, Facebook and Amazon

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I totally agree that Google, Facebook and Amazon have too much power and too little accountability. However they're all global companies and as bad as they are, I trust all of them more than I trust the US government (I am not American). Can you even imagine how their business would work when these are state entities? You're no longer buying ad placements from a marketing company, you're buying them from the US gover…

This is such a widespread idea I wonder where it comes from. At least your government (hopefully) is a somewhat democratic institution and is to that extend accountable and is providing standard procedures to make it more accountable if you believe it ought to be.

There's no such thing in Facebook or Google. Managers dictate policy and if you don't like it you can leave/stop using their service.

Re: We Need to Nationalise Google, Facebook and Amazon

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That misses an even more important point: At this point any kind of cloud environment should be considered public infrastructure. It is not so much about all these companies, it is more about being able to keep the things you bought after these services reach their inevitable deaths, as no company survives forever.

> At this point any kind of cloud environment should be considered public infrastructure.

Why? Public infrastructure like sewer, or roads, is tightly coupled with the fact that it's close to impossible to gain physical land/space to build a second one. AWS/Azure on the other hand neither blocking you from accessing the land nor implemented any regulatory capture to prohibit you from building your own version of cloud infrastructure.

Re: We Need to Nationalise Google, Facebook and Amazon

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I don't know where they dredge up chimpanzees who can look at the glorious history of nationalization in Venezuela et all and say "yeah that really worked out well"

It's pretty pathetic how the internet scum found a startup-oriented board and infested it with articles about nationalizing the tech startups the board was about founding.

Congratulations, you found a thing someone else built and trashed it. Fittingly, now you're posting about using the long dick of the law to seize and destroy some more useful companies. At least we're globalized so they can leave you to live in the shithole you dig yourselves.

Oh well. I was wasting time on HN anyway. At least it isn't fun to browse anymore, makes it easier to focus on building something a bunch of lowlifes can have wet dreams about stealing.

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