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Re: Software development and screen readers at 450 words per minute

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Post by hellcow »

jareds wrote: post #83
hellcow wrote: post #79

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If you're discussing storyboards in XCode (given you mentioned drag and drop), you actually don't need that feature and can lay out both iOS screens and the flows between them programmatically. I actually prefer writing views programmatically for iOS--it gives you readable diffs, which is especially helpful for code reviews.

I have not found an introduction tutorial that assumes you go from no iOS knowledge to a working app with just code instead of storyboards. DO you know of a tutorial that does this?

Here's one that might help for Objective C: https://medium.com/@danstepanov/your-first-ios-app-100-progr...

Alternatively this is the same tutorial using Swift: https://medium.com/@danstepanov/your-first-ios-app-100-progr...

Sadly the images in those articles don't have alt tags, but the images are well described by the surrounding text.

Googling "build iOS views programmatically no storyboard" should bring up some more resources. The rest of iOS development will be normal/consistent with other tutorials--the only thing that's different is learning to describe the view itself in code.

Re: Software development and screen readers at 450 words per minute

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Post by nerdponx »

yorwba wrote: post #85
nerdponx wrote: post #84

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What options even exist outside of ex in that case?

If you want something even more bare-bones than ex or ed, you could use cat as a write-only editor. In combination with head and tail, replacing parts of a file would be possible as well.

I suppose you could also use TECO: http://almy.us/teco.html

Re: Software development and screen readers at 450 words per minute

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Post by jscholes »

CyberDildonics wrote: post #99
WalterBright wrote: post #80

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I think the D programming language site is accessible to the blind, but I don't know what inadvertent accessibility problems there might be with it. If you could please have a look and let me know about any difficulties, I'll get them taken care of. https://dlang.org/

> have a look

> > have a look

Please don't do this, on the Internet or anywhere else. Blind people don't need you to speak in ghetto terms or start self-moderating the things you say to any greater degree than you (probably) normally would.

Re: Software development and screen readers at 450 words per minute

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Post by jareds »

jscholes wrote: post #103
CyberDildonics wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> have a look

> > have a look Please don't do this, on the Internet or anywhere else. Blind people don't need you to speak in ghetto terms or start self-moderating the things you say to any greater degree than you (probably) normally would.

I also "watch movies".

Re: Software development and screen readers at 450 words per minute

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Post by jareds »

WalterBright wrote: post #80
jareds wrote: post #74

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I'm a blind developer and I've found Windows 10 to be pretty good about not throwing up popups if you configure it well. This is because we have a good IT group who builds machines from scratch so there's no trial software. I build my personal computers from scratch so install the OS avoiding junk software. When Windows does have notifications it's pretty good about putting them in the notification center so I can lo…

I think the D programming language site is accessible to the blind, but I don't know what inadvertent accessibility problems there might be with it. If you could please have a look and let me know about any difficulties, I'll get them taken care of. https://dlang.org/

The site appears to generally be accessible with the exception of the interactive tutorial. I'm not a web accessibility expert so don't know the details. There are two major issues. The biggest one is my inability to arrow through the code in an edit field. I can read the text outside of the edit field, but it's difficult since line numbers are interspersed with the text. My assumption is that your using an open source editor which is inaccessible, but I have not had the time to look at the tutorial on Github. The second issue is that there are buttons that my screen reader reads as "button". While run, edit, and format are read properly several other buttons are not.

Re: Software development and screen readers at 450 words per minute

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Post by jareds »

hellcow wrote: post #101
jareds wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have not found an introduction tutorial that assumes you go from no iOS knowledge to a working app with just code instead of storyboards. DO you know of a tutorial that does this?

Here's one that might help for Objective C: https://medium.com/@danstepanov/your-first-ios-app-100-progr... Alternatively this is the same tutorial using Swift: https://medium.com/@danstepanov/your-first-ios-app-100-progr... Sadly the images in those articles don't have alt tags, but the images are well described by the surrounding text. Googling "build iOS views programmatically no storyboard" should bring up some m…

I haven't had a chance to actually run through the tutorial but looking at it I don't think I'll have problems following it. It's well written and the graphics are not required to understand what's going on.

Re: Software development and screen readers at 450 words per minute

#108

Post by WalterBright »

jareds wrote: post #106
WalterBright wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the D programming language site is accessible to the blind, but I don't know what inadvertent accessibility problems there might be with it. If you could please have a look and let me know about any difficulties, I'll get them taken care of. https://dlang.org/

The site appears to generally be accessible with the exception of the interactive tutorial. I'm not a web accessibility expert so don't know the details. There are two major issues. The biggest one is my inability to arrow through the code in an edit field. I can read the text outside of the edit field, but it's difficult since line numbers are interspersed with the text. My assumption is that your using an open sour…

Thank you! This is just what I was looking for. I filed a bug report:

  https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17794
and we'll get it fixed.

I'm a little unsure what you mean by arrowing through the edit field. The cursor moves around as I press the arrow keys, as they would in a text editor.

Re: Software development and screen readers at 450 words per minute

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Post by CyberDildonics »

jscholes wrote: post #103
CyberDildonics wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> have a look

> > have a look Please don't do this, on the Internet or anywhere else. Blind people don't need you to speak in ghetto terms or start self-moderating the things you say to any greater degree than you (probably) normally would.

I agree, but don't you think you are contradicting yourself by jumping in to defend all blind people?
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