Facebook says Pages that regularly share false news won’t be able to buy ads

Post by ricw » Tue, Aug 29, 2017, 7:37 AM UTC

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ZenoArrow wrote: post #213

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> "Thousands of years? Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's really only been put into a constitution a smigeon more than 200 years ago." 'Origins of freedom of speech and expression' section found here suggests otherwise (unless you want to be particular about the term 'constitution', rather than what it represents): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech

399BC - Socrates speaks to jury at his trial: 'If you offered to let me off this time on condition I am not any longer to speak my mind... I should say to you, "Men of Athens, I shall obey the Gods rather than you."' Socrates was sentenced to death for "corrupting the youth" - an act of speech. Considered by some to be a final nail for ancient athens - who had adored free speech before so much as to name a warship af…

Post by sqeaky » Tue, Aug 29, 2017, 8:15 PM UTC

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People don't like this. Please respond and tell me why. Can you defend Trump? As near as I can tell he doesn't have any actual stances. He contradicts himself constantly. He acts like a child instead either a politician or a statesman. He turns down expert briefings. He appears to be embezzling money by having his security stay at his properties. He takes far too much vacation. He has a curiously large amoutn of ties…

I think many people are having to face what their "side" has become, in a bit more clarity than they are comfortable with. The Republicans traditionally kept the fascism and racism hidden to some degree, but Trump simply isn't capable of that. So they retreat into philosophical arguments about how you can't deny Nazi's free speech, because that's unamerican and a slippery slope. While Republicans continue their decad…

Post by marknutter » Fri, Sep 01, 2017, 12:42 AM UTC

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pier25 wrote: post #54

So how does Facebook really know if something is fake? You can't trust user reports. They will say a story is fake when they don't like it. You can't trust some worker in Bangladesh to determine this either just as easily as you can determine if something is NSFW. You still can't trust AI. So how? It hires specialists in each field to determine what is real and what is not?

"The company has already been working with outside fact-checkers like Snopes and the AP to flag inaccurate news stories. (These aren’t supposed to be stories that are disputed for reasons of opinion or partisanship, but rather outright hoaxes and lies.) It also says that when a story is marked as disputed, the link can can no longer be promoted through Facebook ads." If Snopes/AP tells me something is false, I'm perf…

Post by marknutter » Fri, Sep 01, 2017, 12:46 AM UTC

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They're correct. People cannot spot BS and learn from it, including you and I. We'll put much effort into mastering a certain area of reality and truth, and find other horizons clouding over by the day: we cannot, as humans, reality-check everything we're confronted with, because it's too much. We're not shepherds or subsistence farmers anymore, with a world tightly constrained and comprehensible. Our world expanded,…

We live in a single objective reality. There are ways to get at the truth. Some of those ways are even easy. Can the claims be tested, sometimes this can shortcut you strait to the truth. Knowing how to check sources gets you one step closer. Knowing how to assess the quality of sources, helps. Knowing how to understand the original source material is crucial. Checking that a multitude of sources agree. Determining i…