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Re: When it comes to internet privacy, be afraid, analyst suggests

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Perhaps this is a good reason to have some sort of technocracy element to the federal government. I lean extremely far right, but in this case, this seems like one of the few things that the federal government should be doing-- breaking up stout monopolies that can't be competed with. I'm unfamiliar with the decision, but why split up a company like Microsoft in 1999, but leave Facebook and Google alone?

It's not against the law to have a monopoly - it's against the law to exploit having a monopoly to enter another market. Microsoft was seen to be exploiting it's consumer OS market share to gain a monopoly in the browser market and the productivity software market, AIUI.

No, it can be against the law merely to have (and keep) a monopoly.

It is against the law to acquire, or to perpetuate, a monopoly by any combination or conspiracy in restraint of trade.

Although you're quite right that the move into the browser market was a big part of the case against Microsoft, there were other pieces to that case. There was a whole bunch of work around APIs/ABIs and in particular, denying other parties access to secret or privileged APIs in order to cripple potential challengers to the existing OS market (e.g. Java/Sun).

(Notwithstanding that the Microsoft strategic work around the browser stuff was a very correct reading that the browser was destined to become the de facto OS.)

Yes, it's complicated and there's a whole century+ of interesting jurisprudence. But it's not sufficient to just declare it's OK to have a monopoly -- you can be at risk of antitrust suits even just 1. having a de facto monopoly and 2. doing the "normal" smart business things to hang onto it.

For further reading, start with https://www.justice.gov/atr/us-v-microsoft-courts-findings-f...

Re: When it comes to internet privacy, be afraid, analyst suggests

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Can someone explain to me why this so-called "privacy" is such a big deal on internet? Can't internet, or at least a major part of it, be considered a public place? I mean, when I walk in the street, I do not wear a mask (I suspect that'd be illegal in my country), yet I do not worry about someone using surveillance cameras to track all my activities. Sure, it could technically be done but I'm not that important : no…

Out in the real world you are seen but most are quickly forgotten. On the internet you are seen and it is logged for an eternity.

Not really that true anymore. Especially in cities like NY and London there are practically no public spaces not under 24/7 CCTV surveillance and all that video is cheap to preserve forever.

Re: When it comes to internet privacy, be afraid, analyst suggests

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Perhaps this is a good reason to have some sort of technocracy element to the federal government. I lean extremely far right, but in this case, this seems like one of the few things that the federal government should be doing-- breaking up stout monopolies that can't be competed with. I'm unfamiliar with the decision, but why split up a company like Microsoft in 1999, but leave Facebook and Google alone?

We simply need laws against data brokerage. And prohibit ad-based monetization on services with >100M users.

...and a police force with arrest powers, and corporate compliance offices that follow the letter of the law, and federal investigators that try and parse code...

And once you get big, you can't get any more revenue.

And I want to be king.

Re: When it comes to internet privacy, be afraid, analyst suggests

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps this is a good reason to have some sort of technocracy element to the federal government. I lean extremely far right, but in this case, this seems like one of the few things that the federal government should be doing-- breaking up stout monopolies that can't be competed with. I'm unfamiliar with the decision, but why split up a company like Microsoft in 1999, but leave Facebook and Google alone?

"I lean extremely far right, but in this case, this seems like one of the few things that the federal government should be doing-- breaking up stout monopolies that can't be competed with." Doesn't sound like you are far right at all then. I'm wondering if we're actually a good judge of our own political leaning. I think that I'm libertarian (little 'l'), but Facebook ad policy thinks I'm far left . Maybe Facebook kn…

Eh, I think it is more a problem with "broad umbrellas" and simple labels being inherently incapable of accurately describing something as complex as ones own politics, rather than lack of self judgement. I know precisely what my politics are but the right/left dichotomy is to simple for me to even pick a side for example, both tribes have ideals that I very much agree with.

Re: When it comes to internet privacy, be afraid, analyst suggests

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We simply need laws against data brokerage. And prohibit ad-based monetization on services with >100M users.

Why does the number of users matter?

because you get lots of market power when have zillions of users.

Re: When it comes to internet privacy, be afraid, analyst suggests

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Can someone explain to me why this so-called "privacy" is such a big deal on internet? Can't internet, or at least a major part of it, be considered a public place? I mean, when I walk in the street, I do not wear a mask (I suspect that'd be illegal in my country), yet I do not worry about someone using surveillance cameras to track all my activities. Sure, it could technically be done but I'm not that important : no…

You know, every now and then there's a leak in voter registration data, and people start freaking out at the thought that others might know what their political affiliation is. Well, that kind of leak is really no longer necessary. Your browsing, consuming, and posting histories can all be used to deduce that information and much, much more about you. Try keeping any of your political opinions secret these days. Shor…

>Short of not saying anything to anyone, it's hard to keep it secret

To add to this, many people are doing just that on their social networks. Now that there is a precedent for potential employers to "Facebook Stalk" applicants, and we all know that the major world governments have under the table agreements with all the major social networks for data, our profiles are just another carefully curated facade of our lives.

See also: https://www.socialcooling.com/

Re: When it comes to internet privacy, be afraid, analyst suggests

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>Perhaps this is a good reason to have some sort of technocracy element to the federal government Thought you were going to say "regulate privacy protections." Instead you went for breaking up monopolies. Impressive leap

He has a point though. Right now if you have an android smartphone, use gmail and google search you're telling google basically everything you do, where you are, what you have an interest in and the people you know. Each of these services in isolation can know a great deal about you but being able to correlate the data makes it so much worse. That's why I try to avoid putting all of my eggs in the same basket, I have…

Can you recommend a good source of info about running a personal email server? I have heard that it is extremely difficult to get mainstream email providers to accept email from unrecognized sources, but if that is not the case, or if there is a good method for dealing with that madness, then I am very much interested in managing my own email.

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"Opting out doesn’t work. It’s nonsense to tell people not to carry a credit card or not to have an email address. And “buyer beware” is putting too much onus on the individual. People don’t test their food for pathogens or their airlines for safety." This is a brilliant line and it works so well because he is absolutely right: it should not be on the burden of the consumer to make sure their products are safe, be it…

> but privacy needs to be a mainstream political issue Honestly most people don't care and money talks... This is the new normal, better get used to it. This fight was lost a long time ago.

Yes, money talks. Which is why free software that is guaranteed to stay free is a resilient solution if we can develop it.

Privacy violations exist so middle men can make money. Cutting out the middle men solves the privacy problem AND motivates people by saving them money.

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