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A Game You Can Control with Your Mind

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Re: A Game You Can Control with Your Mind

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Post by SilasX »

Interesting! I was big on this stuff seven years ago, when I found a "Star Wars Force Training" toy [1] -- you put the brain wave sensor on, which passes a signal that sets the strength of a fan that's blowing upward on a ball in a tube, and therefore its height. So it makes a neat brain-ball-height link. Unfortunately, it was really unreliable -- only for brief periods could I (or anyone) consistently set the height.

I also bought the OCZ Neural Impulse Actuator that you could use as a PC peripheral and it could detect alpha/beta brains waves as well as tension and eye movement, but which I really only found reliable for the last two. (You control tension by "gritting your teeth".)

[1] https://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Science-Force-Trainer/dp/B0...

Re: A Game You Can Control with Your Mind

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Post by KGIII »

SilasX wrote: post #11

Interesting! I was big on this stuff seven years ago, when I found a "Star Wars Force Training" toy [1] -- you put the brain wave sensor on, which passes a signal that sets the strength of a fan that's blowing upward on a ball in a tube, and therefore its height. So it makes a neat brain-ball-height link. Unfortunately, it was really unreliable -- only for brief periods could I (or anyone) consistently set the height…

I have long since offered to volunteer myself to be able to have a direct brain interface with a computer and the Internet. I'll even shave my hair and let them install a wireless nub on the back of my head.

In my imagination, this means everything from authoring my own custom programs to thwarting hackers using the power of my mind.

I'm pretty sure this would be just about the most awesome thing ever created. I'd be surfing at brain-speed and able to access all information that is out there.

Trivially related: I'd want an ad blocking mechanism, but I might be able to just will it into place.

Yes, I'd be willing to take the risks if someone had a reasonable plan to trial this.

Re: A Game You Can Control with Your Mind

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Post by KGIII »

xyrnoble wrote: post #9
bluetwo wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Get off my mind lawn!

I realize you were joking but "get of my lawn" is normally something that the rich say to the poor. In this situation it's the opposite. Also, I'm young enough to be in the "next generation" and, at least in my case, the GP is wrong. The previous generation assumes they can get lost in the noise. They imagine all our data flowing into a human machine for processing. They don't understand the power of machine learning…

I'm not sure I'd make absolute statements based on arbitrary birth dates. Some of us have created the very things you use and are well aware of the implications. I'd also make no such assumptions based on someone being younger than myself.

Re: A Game You Can Control with Your Mind

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Post by xyrnoble »

KGIII wrote: post #13
xyrnoble wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I realize you were joking but "get of my lawn" is normally something that the rich say to the poor. In this situation it's the opposite. Also, I'm young enough to be in the "next generation" and, at least in my case, the GP is wrong. The previous generation assumes they can get lost in the noise. They imagine all our data flowing into a human machine for processing. They don't understand the power of machine learning…

I'm not sure I'd make absolute statements based on arbitrary birth dates. Some of us have created the very things you use and are well aware of the implications. I'd also make no such assumptions based on someone being younger than myself.

I didn't intend for my statements to be absolute. I could have thrown in some seem tos and generallys but I felt like the "at least in my case" covered it. I've spoken to older people who are very aware of what's coming and/or already here. It's just not the common case. I'm not making a hard assumption; It's more like a branch prediction.

Re: A Game You Can Control with Your Mind

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Post by KGIII »

xyrnoble wrote: post #14
KGIII wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure I'd make absolute statements based on arbitrary birth dates. Some of us have created the very things you use and are well aware of the implications. I'd also make no such assumptions based on someone being younger than myself.

I didn't intend for my statements to be absolute. I could have thrown in some seem to s and generally s but I felt like the "at least in my case" covered it. I've spoken to older people who are very aware of what's coming and/or already here. It's just not the common case. I'm not making a hard assumption; It's more like a branch prediction.

You may wish to edit your first reply. "The previous generation assumes..."

Re: A Game You Can Control with Your Mind

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Post by hueving »

xyrnoble wrote: post #9
bluetwo wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Get off my mind lawn!

I realize you were joking but "get of my lawn" is normally something that the rich say to the poor. In this situation it's the opposite. Also, I'm young enough to be in the "next generation" and, at least in my case, the GP is wrong. The previous generation assumes they can get lost in the noise. They imagine all our data flowing into a human machine for processing. They don't understand the power of machine learning…

>I realize you were joking but "get of my lawn" is normally something that the rich say to the poor.

No it's not. A lawn is a very middle-class thing in the US. It is stereotypically an older person that spends a bunch of time keeping their lawn pristine since they have no small children.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_kids_get_off_my_lawn!

Re: A Game You Can Control with Your Mind

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Post by xyrnoble »

KGIII wrote: post #15
xyrnoble wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't intend for my statements to be absolute. I could have thrown in some seem to s and generally s but I felt like the "at least in my case" covered it. I've spoken to older people who are very aware of what's coming and/or already here. It's just not the common case. I'm not making a hard assumption; It's more like a branch prediction.

You may wish to edit your first reply. "The previous generation assumes..."

It's too late to edit. If I could I'd change it to "the previous generation seems to assume..."

Re: A Game You Can Control with Your Mind

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Post by hprotagonist »

kortex wrote: post #10
hprotagonist wrote: post #2

to be completely pedantic, i already control all games i play with my mind... more seriously, i worked on a brain-computer interface (BCI) system a few years ago that was supposed to do directional control of a cursor from scalp EEG recordings. A $90 eye tracker worked an order of magnitude better and three orders faster.

I've spent a lot of time working with EEG and pulling my hair out over garbage SNR, finnicky setups, and artifacts galore. I don't understand why so many folks try to go the route of using EEG as mouse/keyboard/generic HID for the masses, when (ignoring para/quadraplegics) most humans have no problem with computer input. There are tons of applications where the EEG can be used for what it's (sorta) good at: attention…

Yup. IN fact, our application was locked-in patients. SSVEP BCI "works", but only if you can foveate on the target, which means you can move your eyes, which means you should use an eye tracker.
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