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Post by gmarx »

wooter wrote: post #61
quoquoquo wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The game has changed. There are people with intolerant and twisted views trying to manipulate the naive herd of sheep who blindly follows whatever people like on Facebook. Knowing the tactics of people behind fake news, it's good that Facebook is responding accordingly to punish and get rid of bad actors on their platform. It's once again showing that we can't have pure anarcho decentralization. It would be a haven f…

sad to me that people are so quick to dismiss the principles of free speech on the basis that "the game has changed" after thousands of years of human history proving it hasn't. (inb4 1st amendment is only for the gov - that is a selective truth. the principles of free speech exist outside of government.)

those who ignore the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them.

Re: Facebook says Pages that regularly share false news won’t be able to buy ads

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Post by wooter »

JacobJans wrote: post #68
menacingly wrote: post #41

The risk here is not that the system will have bad goals, it's that it's easy for manipulation to redefine the core terms used to classify "bad" content. Even now, we regularly see even clear terms like "correct" or "incorrect" applied by fact-checking websites through a fairly biased lens. This is not a partisan issue, when you start down the road of handing the keys to shaping public thought to a powerful party, yo…

> This is no different than being able to tell when someone is bullshitting just as you walk through every day life, and thinking we need to shield the poor naive populace from harmful ideas is borderline stereotypical paternalism. There is a huge difference. If someone is bullshitting you in real life, you don't give them a giant microphone so they can reach millions of people. You ignore them, or politely engage in…

of course they're entitled not to. however, they allow BS they agree with so they must accept that obvious bias will be called obvious bias.

Re: Facebook says Pages that regularly share false news won’t be able to buy ads

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

jobu wrote: post #77
kumarvvr wrote: post #18

It is unfortunate that platforms like Facebook have become the beacons of pessimism. I am talking in the context of the usage of social media tools to harm society, rather than help it. For me, FB, TW, etc have become unreliable sources of news. Here, FB is trying to limit ads from pages that share false news, but who will decide that?? 1. FB - Leads to a dangerous slippery slope of putting too much power into a sing…

> For me, FB, TW, etc have become unreliable sources of news. For me, it has shown that a large chunk my social network is incapable of detecting bullshit. Last year I tried linking to Snopes or Politifact when people would post obvious falsehoods, but most people just don't care. What I want from FB is a feed that doesn't include shares or likes of any external content. Seeing and reading about life events of my fri…

> it has shown that a large chunk my social network is incapable of detecting bullshit

Most people didn't have to. When they heard something, it had been filtered. We switched context on millions of people without warning.

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Post by kumarvvr »

aaron-lebo wrote: post #33
kumarvvr wrote: post #18

It is unfortunate that platforms like Facebook have become the beacons of pessimism. I am talking in the context of the usage of social media tools to harm society, rather than help it. For me, FB, TW, etc have become unreliable sources of news. Here, FB is trying to limit ads from pages that share false news, but who will decide that?? 1. FB - Leads to a dangerous slippery slope of putting too much power into a sing…

The lying isn't new, none of the dynamics are new, it's just the sheer velocity it all happens at. You lie about something 100 years ago and the press talks about that lie for weeks or months because information moves so slowly. You lie today and there's another tweet to cover in an hour and people forget about it (like you said). The funny thing is Zuckerberg has repeatedly used the line that "Facebook isn't a media…

Well, the echo chambers, or at least the effectiveness of them is absolutely new.

In the past you shared and discussed news at gatherings of all kinds, and unless its a cult (which are easy to identify, and if required, outlaw) you had a fair chance of atleast coming across differing opinion. You had a face, a body and a mind attached to a differing opinion, a great humanizing factor. That is missing in FB echo chambers.

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Post by neuronexmachina »

Back in November, PC World did some testing with fake FB accounts to see what fake news would be targeted at them. It was pretty eye-opening: http://www.pcworld.com/article/3142412/windows/just-how-part...

> The Macedonians may still be at it, because our Republican supporter, Todd White, was flooded with partisan posts. Worse, over a little more than two days, we counted 10 such posts in his feed that were fake, most accusing Democrats or their supporters of illegal activity. In all, White was clearly exposed to more spin than his Democratic counterpart, Chris Smith, who saw exactly zero fake news stories.

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Post by 0xbear »

Part of the strategy employed by mainstream media to misinform the public is _selective_ reporting. That is, either the entire event is not reported if it doesn't fit the narrative, or parts that don't fit the narrative are simply omitted or deemphasized. Will FB detect and demonetize that as well?

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Post by stcredzero »

kumarvvr wrote: post #18

It is unfortunate that platforms like Facebook have become the beacons of pessimism. I am talking in the context of the usage of social media tools to harm society, rather than help it. For me, FB, TW, etc have become unreliable sources of news. Here, FB is trying to limit ads from pages that share false news, but who will decide that?? 1. FB - Leads to a dangerous slippery slope of putting too much power into a sing…

The trouble with these echo chambers is that they nullify efforts of the society to promote meaningful debate and discussion.

I saw this coming years ago. So did others:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE3j_RHkqJc

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Post by jcwayne »

This will be a massive time saver for me. It's a real comfort to know that, from now on, all stories on Facebook will be real news. No more reading the articles to spot the BS, just a quick skim of the headlines and I'll be fully informed on the important matters of the day. /s

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Post by briholt »

jobu wrote: post #77
kumarvvr wrote: post #18

It is unfortunate that platforms like Facebook have become the beacons of pessimism. I am talking in the context of the usage of social media tools to harm society, rather than help it. For me, FB, TW, etc have become unreliable sources of news. Here, FB is trying to limit ads from pages that share false news, but who will decide that?? 1. FB - Leads to a dangerous slippery slope of putting too much power into a sing…

> For me, FB, TW, etc have become unreliable sources of news. For me, it has shown that a large chunk my social network is incapable of detecting bullshit. Last year I tried linking to Snopes or Politifact when people would post obvious falsehoods, but most people just don't care. What I want from FB is a feed that doesn't include shares or likes of any external content. Seeing and reading about life events of my fri…

I'd be careful, both Politifact and Snopes have been caught pushing their own slanted narratives. Example: When Bernie says black youth unemployment is ~50%, it's true. When Trump says the same, it's false.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jul/... http://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2016/jun/20/do...

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