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Increasing numbers of wingsuit jumpers are dying (2016)

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Re: Increasing numbers of wingsuit jumpers are dying (2016)

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> In researching 2016’s dramatic rise in BASE jumping deaths, I was almost unable to keep up with the pace with which people were dying. Perhaps something to do with the increased popularity of social media and action cameras -- thus attracting a large body of non-seriously committed, in it for the views, darwin award nominees?

This is dismissed later in the article.

Re: Increasing numbers of wingsuit jumpers are dying (2016)

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post #95

Well yeah. That's kind like saying more people are dying from Russian roulette...while Russian roulette is experiencing a surge in popularity. Do something stupidly dangerous enough & in large numbers and you get rows of bodybags. Sounds callous but that is the reality of it.

That's oversimplifying or discarding the revelation.

People expected wingsuit BASE to become safer with experience; practitioners didn't expect it to be a toss of the dice no matter what.

Re: Increasing numbers of wingsuit jumpers are dying (2016)

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> died from flying too close to terrain Is that a euphemism for crashing into the ground?

BASE wingsuit fliers tend to skim just above the surface of a slope rather than flying at higher altitude. You'll see it a lot if you watch GoPro videos. This is phenomenally dangerous in a powered aircraft, but it's near-suicidal if you're flying a wingsuit.

But it makes for awesome GoPro footage[1] so people keep doing it. When you see people flying so low that they have to weave between trees you know that they're going to make a mistake or hit an unexpected gust of wind and kill themselves sooner rather than later.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTzwvyzzfjk

Re: Increasing numbers of wingsuit jumpers are dying (2016)

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How are there so many people willing to do something so insanely stupid? I looked at the BASE fatality list. Vast majority of the names and nationalities are of European descent and/or nationality. Are adventure sports (risk taking for thrill) a white European thing? Do you have to have a sort of arrogance and privilege to disrespect risks like this? I personally have no desire for any of this stuff, as I'm quite awa…

It costs a lot of money to get into.

Also, you have to have the money while young, which is way easier if you also have well off parents.

Re: Increasing numbers of wingsuit jumpers are dying (2016)

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post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just a nit, because I spent years not realizing this due to my accent, but it's "I'd have" not "I'd of". It sounds like "I'd of" because "I'd've" gz on surviving the fall so that you could have random people correct your grammar in the future. Glad to hear you kept with it-- people are surprisingly risk adverse yet will ignore passive danger

Possibly the use of "I'd of" had authorial intent, e.g. to sound more colloquial. In my opinion this is valid usage in English.

There's nothing valid about it, it's a misspelling and a grammatical mistake.

Re: Increasing numbers of wingsuit jumpers are dying (2016)

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I had a close call this summer whitewater rafting on the Upper Animas River in Colorado and it has caused me to re-think every serious risk I take and has changed me in a big way. I was participating in a multi-day trip run by one of the local guiding outfits through the Upper section of the river, a much more difficult and serious undertaking than the Lower Animas, which is frequently run by average day-tripping tou…

In my 30's I drove a motorcycle, the crotch rocket variety (Kawasaki 750). I had a few very close calls, then decided I had had a good run and a lot of fun, but it was time to hang it up. I could see the writing on the wall: keep doing this and I would have a serious accident, that would either leave me dead or seriously injured. I was, at the time, planning a family, and to this day miss riding but think it was absolutely the right choice.

Re: Increasing numbers of wingsuit jumpers are dying (2016)

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post #22

I had a close call this summer whitewater rafting on the Upper Animas River in Colorado and it has caused me to re-think every serious risk I take and has changed me in a big way. I was participating in a multi-day trip run by one of the local guiding outfits through the Upper section of the river, a much more difficult and serious undertaking than the Lower Animas, which is frequently run by average day-tripping tou…

I have a couple of friends, both white-water guides and accomplished outdoorsmen, and they both put whitewater in a different category of risk: you can do everything right, and still die just due to the unpredictability of it. One of them said he had an instructor who basically said "if you stick with this long enough, either you'll die or someone you know will". They were both in the latter category.

Yeah, I've heard both wingsuiting and ice climbing described similarly. Possibly not as high-risk, at least for ice climbing, but they have the same issue with random disaster. If you hit a death block somewhere, that's the end, and lifelong ice climbers build up a lot of chances at that no matter how good they are.

Re: Increasing numbers of wingsuit jumpers are dying (2016)

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post #127

Six hours late on this thread and I can't see anyone calling out GoPro and friends: >Five days earlier, the GoPro star Uli Emanuele, 29, died when he crashed in the Dolomites of his native country, Italy. Freedom for these people (mostly young men) to die is one thing. But part of GoPro's profits are knowingly built up by a quasi-suicide cult. That's not that different from dealing heroin.

> But part of GoPro's profits are knowingly built up by a quasi-suicide cult. How is that?

They will gladly broadcast and support the success of a stunt but I don't see them around when one fails

Re: Increasing numbers of wingsuit jumpers are dying (2016)

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post #90

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> There's gotta be safer ways to get an adrenaline rush. I was suprised to see no mention of VR as a potential alternative anywhere in the thread. I suppose realism still has a long way to go!

I doubt VR will ever replace dangerous sports. You get adrenaline rush precisely for the fact that you realize it's dangerous with a real potential of getting killed or wounded and the fact that you get away with it. Sitting in an armchair with no such potential consequences might get you some thrills but it's nowhere close to the real adrenaline rush. I don't actively pursuit this feeling, but driving motorcycle reg…

Honestly, I think the existence of free soloists is proof that VR won't replace risky sports.

A non-trivial number of people choose to go out and rock climb without using ropes, even on climbs where ropes could easily be added. That's not purely about risk-taking, but it seems to give lie to any idea that a safe simulation will be satisfying for everyone.

Re: Increasing numbers of wingsuit jumpers are dying (2016)

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post #95

Well yeah. That's kind like saying more people are dying from Russian roulette...while Russian roulette is experiencing a surge in popularity. Do something stupidly dangerous enough & in large numbers and you get rows of bodybags. Sounds callous but that is the reality of it.

“BASE jumping does not get safer with experience.”

Somebody should calculate P-value for that claim.

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