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Avoiding being scammed in ICO “pump-and-dump” schemes

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Re: Avoiding being scammed in ICO “pump-and-dump” schemes

#11

This is becoming more of a problem. That's why I only stick to mining certain coins.

Have you done any profitability analysis on these? When I checked in 2015 you were losing about 20 ct on each dollar you invested.

To summarize the probably resulting discussion of this question: The profit is probably in doing ICOs and offering business opportunities on top of coins, not in mining the coins.

Re: Avoiding being scammed in ICO “pump-and-dump” schemes

#12
Just to provide more options to the discussion and because nobody has mentioned it: Have you considered that all ICOs are a scam of some sort? Or that you can participate in scams and still end up being a winner?

To get the noodle baking about the first part: The goal of every public offering is to make more money than what the stuff you're offering is worth to you. Of course it may have more value to other people for different reasons, but the basic idea is not to get the same value or less of what it's worth to you. So to some degree an ICO always plans to take more than it gives.

Re: Avoiding being scammed in ICO “pump-and-dump” schemes

#14

The worst schemes are the "Oh No, we've been hacked during our ICO, stop sending those 'other people' your money!"

The crypto space is rife with inside jobs, but I think most of the ICO hacks are real. There's not a strong incentive to run an ICO hack when you'd otherwise just get the money without much accountability.

Re: Avoiding being scammed in ICO “pump-and-dump” schemes

#17
The irony of ICOs is that the very purpose nearly forbidden by the SEC and other global regulators -- namely issuing securities of a company -- is the most natural fit.

Nobody wants a domain specific currency. If I want to purchase services whether it's from a company or from some kind of decentralized amorphous protocol I want to make that purchase in fiat cash or some general purpose crypto cash like BTC or ETH. I do not want to convert cash into some domain specific currency. That's annoying and introduces complexity, breakage, and market inefficiency.

Re: Avoiding being scammed in ICO “pump-and-dump” schemes

#18
A digital "growth" company is working within my vicinity and helping ICOs success. I'm really having issues with that.

Regular crowd-funding mostly have rules about what you pre-buy. Regular IPOs have tight rules and regulation on how, when and to whom you may offer.

I fail to see how and why we should tolerate these ICOs scams these days. A lot of people will lose a lot of money.

Re: Avoiding being scammed in ICO “pump-and-dump” schemes

#19
Ah the dot-com bubble 2.0. I think it'll go down in history as the crypto-crash because that's cool to say.

But seriously this is exactly what happened in the late 90's during the rise of the web. There is real value in Bitcoin, there is real value in blockchain technology. There probably isn't any value in PETCOIN or AOLCOIN if you catch my drift. Smart investors who can stomach risk can make a lot of money over the next few years before all the shit hits the fan. Gotta love irrational exuberance.

Re: Avoiding being scammed in ICO “pump-and-dump” schemes

#20

A pump-and-dump scheme drives the price up by promoting the commodity only to allow insiders who bought it earlier to sell when the price peeks just before the the price plunges again. You can easily see it in penny-stocks and/or OTC-stocks. The price stays flat, then peaks, then crashes to about the pre pump-and-dump price. I haven't seen such a behaviour in any of the new coins. Does anyone have an example or link…

The scammy ICOs (which is most of them) aren't really pump and dumps. They're more like variations of the "big store" and other phony front investor scams. It's more like outright stock fraud. They're selling shares in something that doesn't exist and isn't going to exist.
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