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Re: Pale Moon blocks AdNauseam extension

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Post by hysan »

bicubic wrote: post #187
belorn wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ad networks don't follow the same laws which all advertisement companies have to follow in all other form of media, so why should people have to pay in order to get rid of them? This is the wild wild west, and paying the bandits to go away is always a bad idea. What would happen if reddit had to use a ad network that vetted every single advertisement they displayed and took legal responsibility that local advertiseme…

In addition to that, digital advertising is different from all predecessors in a couple of ways which make it very unpalatable to the target users. First off, it's the target who wears the majority of the costs. Extra bandwidth to serve the ad, extra cpu/battery resources to display it, extra exposure to trackers and malicious js - all on the target. Then there's the tracking. You don't just get shown an ad, your bro…

And it only gets worse with time. Over the past decade, I went from no adblock, to a blacklist, to a whitelist, and finally to just blocking everything except a very very short list of sites I consider trusted (Reddit being one of them) that I no longer update. If a site doesn't let me view content without ads, I don't visit it. I have yet to run into a situation where the content was worth the exposure to risk and the financial cost of ads (mobile data caps).

Re: Pale Moon blocks AdNauseam extension

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Post by smichel17 »

School-Cotton wrote: post #194
aphextron wrote: post #186

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Anyone arguing against AdNauseum is totally missing the point here. We, as users, could not possibly care less if your site goes out of business because you are unable to come up with another form of monetization. Something will rise up to take your place that is more user friendly. The market will find a way. I somehow strongly doubt that if the current paradigm of ad based revenue were to disappear overnight, that…

> We, as users, could not possibly care less if your site goes out of business Reddit users wouldn't care if Reddit went out of business? I find that hard to believe. > Something will rise up to take your place that is more user friendly. The market will find a way. Got any ideas? Nobody has come up with anything that works so far. > I somehow strongly doubt that if the current paradigm of ad based revenue were to di…

>Got any ideas? Nobody has come up with anything that works so far.

I believe snowdrift.coop has a chance. (I'm a volunteer on the team).

Re: Pale Moon blocks AdNauseam extension

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Post by jim-jim-jim »

It'd really be no big loss if every site that relied on ad revenue went under because of this. It'd be a net positive actually. No more Content Trough? No more Socialworthy? No more Reddit? Sign me up. There will always be personal sites and phpbb forums run out of pocket for passion not profit.

I use Ad Nauseum not because I think "the current advertising model is broken" or whatever. I'm not interested in reform. I'd like people to stop treating the web as a business opportunity. If this extension actively harms the bottom lines of the most shameless sorts of profiteers, then that totally rules and I support it 100%.

Re: Pale Moon blocks AdNauseam extension

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Post by AndrewCHM »

junkculture wrote: post #216
jedberg wrote: post #124

I hear a lot of people in here saying, "Yay for AdNauseum, they are fixing the broken ad system! If sites start charging instead of ads, I'll totally pay!" Let me add a little perspective. A long time ago at reddit we launched reddit gold. At the time, one of the biggest benefits was that if you had gold you could turn off ads. This was in direct response to people saying, "I would rather pay you then use adblock". Y…

I now log into reddit very rarely and only to correct errors in comments where I am actually somewhat experienced. I've been gilded more than a few times and I've never come to know until the expiry notice shows up. So it's actually hard to tell what the reddit gold buys one, apart from virtue signalling that one is a "supporter." Now if the gold bought me to ability to turn off all comments, see what the mods have c…

for what its worth, there are over 220 subreddits which have their removal logs made public, via this account: https://www.reddit.com/user/publicmodlogs

You can turn off comments by not visiting comment pages

Re: Pale Moon blocks AdNauseam extension

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Post by AndrewCHM »

JosephLark wrote: post #211
jedberg wrote: post #124

I hear a lot of people in here saying, "Yay for AdNauseum, they are fixing the broken ad system! If sites start charging instead of ads, I'll totally pay!" Let me add a little perspective. A long time ago at reddit we launched reddit gold. At the time, one of the biggest benefits was that if you had gold you could turn off ads. This was in direct response to people saying, "I would rather pay you then use adblock". Y…

My feelings about reddit gold: I subscribed to reddit gold for a year. Removal of ads wasn't a big benefit to me since, as you know, I could achieve the same with or without reddit gold with ad-blocking. There was obviously no point in me whitelisting reddit and then toggling the ads off in the settings. I was, however, happy to be supporting reddit. However, in the end I've never purchased reddit gold again. I have…

New major things that come to mind are, New modmail experience made by google's inbox team, I think that's about it.

They are working on a site redesign though, so that is something

Re: Pale Moon blocks AdNauseam extension

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Post by wu_tang_chris »

dang wrote: post #220
wu_tang_chris wrote: post #197

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> We, as users, could not possibly care less if your site goes out of business because you are unable to come up with another form of monetization. Exactly this. The entitlement jedberg shows here, to be able to show ads on a link aggregator (of all useless things) is astonishing.

> The entitlement jedberg shows here This crosses into personal attack and namecalling. Those things are against the HN guidelines. Would you please (re-)read them, and follow them when commenting here? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I've read the guidelines. It is neither.

Re: Pale Moon blocks AdNauseam extension

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Post by clarry »

hedora wrote: post #221

I think most people would agree that non-consensual profiling / tracking of users is immoral. AdNauseum directly breaks most business models that rely on that. I don't see the problem. Want to support your site using ads? Why not use display ads? Sell space next to high quality content to advertisers with relevant products. Problem solved, and it puts bottom feeder ad exchanges and content spam websites out of busine…

> Want to support your site using ads? Why not use display ads? Sell space next to high quality content to advertisers with relevant products.

The hard part is that most sites don't have high quality content, and there are no relevant products..

I can see why people want to damage these sites.

Re: Pale Moon blocks AdNauseam extension

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Post by Grue3 »

etplayer wrote: post #47
googl3_angst wrote: post #23

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The recent push for AdNauseam seems to be from the 4chan, free speech crowd, as a reaction to Google efforts aimed at stifling politically incorrect speech on its platforms. See https://ageofshitlords.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/4chan-...

Slightly off topic, but I find the implication made in the image you linked that Google, a company which profits via wage labour, which owns property, is a "Communist" organisation to be absolutely hilarious if it wasn't a sincerely held view by some poor souls.

Google's wage-fixing practices do remind me of "planned economy". [1]

[1] https://pando.com/2014/03/22/revealed-apple-and-googles-wage...

Re: Pale Moon blocks AdNauseam extension

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Post by mariuolo »

I feel like most people here are missing the point.

The question is not whether it is proper to use AdNauseam or not, the question is whether it should be a personal choice or one imposed upon by the browser.

In this case, PaleMoon was championed as the "freedom browser" as opposed to the "designed by a committee" Firefox. If this passes, does it actually mean it will simply be a fork of Firefox that keeps XPCOM support but with the same overall attitude?

Re: Pale Moon blocks AdNauseam extension

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Post by junkculture »

AndrewCHM wrote: post #234
junkculture wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I now log into reddit very rarely and only to correct errors in comments where I am actually somewhat experienced. I've been gilded more than a few times and I've never come to know until the expiry notice shows up. So it's actually hard to tell what the reddit gold buys one, apart from virtue signalling that one is a "supporter." Now if the gold bought me to ability to turn off all comments, see what the mods have c…

for what its worth, there are over 220 subreddits which have their removal logs made public, via this account: https://www.reddit.com/user/publicmodlogs You can turn off comments by not visiting comment pages

Well, I do run a content blocker on macos/IOS which turns off all comments on all websites, but that's a trifle limiting.

What annoys me about reddit comments are the pun "trains," endless reruns of old reddit jokes. Every conversation is swamped with these comments, perhaps deliberately, to drown out unpopular opinions. No wait, the Pao era introduced mass deletions instead.

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