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Increasing numbers of wingsuit jumpers are dying (2016)

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Re: Increasing numbers of wingsuit jumpers are dying (2016)

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Wingsuit pilot & programmer here. The reason Wingsuit BASE Jumpers keep dying is that you shouldn't jump your wingsuit off a @#$%ing mountain. Please stick to the planes and the helicopters that you're used to.

I know nothing about wingsuits -- how are they used from planes and helicopters? Do you just jump and then use a parachute when you get low enough?

Yup - instead of freefall, you "glide."

Then pull your chute whenever.

Here's an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2VIbrVVQRw

Re: Increasing numbers of wingsuit jumpers are dying (2016)

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I had a close call this summer whitewater rafting on the Upper Animas River in Colorado and it has caused me to re-think every serious risk I take and has changed me in a big way. I was participating in a multi-day trip run by one of the local guiding outfits through the Upper section of the river, a much more difficult and serious undertaking than the Lower Animas, which is frequently run by average day-tripping tou…

I have a couple of friends, both white-water guides and accomplished outdoorsmen, and they both put whitewater in a different category of risk: you can do everything right, and still die just due to the unpredictability of it. One of them said he had an instructor who basically said "if you stick with this long enough, either you'll die or someone you know will". They were both in the latter category.

Re: Increasing numbers of wingsuit jumpers are dying (2016)

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I had a close call this summer whitewater rafting on the Upper Animas River in Colorado and it has caused me to re-think every serious risk I take and has changed me in a big way. I was participating in a multi-day trip run by one of the local guiding outfits through the Upper section of the river, a much more difficult and serious undertaking than the Lower Animas, which is frequently run by average day-tripping tou…

Had an experience like this while surfing, years ago. I trusted a friend and went out surfing when it was double overhead. Had no business doing that, being a fumbling idiot on a board but trusted him.

Made it out and caught a wave and wiped out -- can remember fighting the white water for what felt like 20 minutes, tumbling end over end and trying to time my gasps and keep cool. Just hoping I'd be washed inland if I just kept balancing the conservation of energy with forward progress.

Life isn't a joke and we shouldn't take it trivial. There are such joys all around us which don't require unnecessary high risks.

Re: Increasing numbers of wingsuit jumpers are dying (2016)

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Probably because it's the most dangerous thing you can do short of actually attempting suicide

Bet its even closer than you think. Nobody I know who does BASE is still alive. Some quit, others died. Everyone just kind of expects to die doing it. Blue skies, black death.

Re: Increasing numbers of wingsuit jumpers are dying (2016)

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I had a close call this summer whitewater rafting on the Upper Animas River in Colorado and it has caused me to re-think every serious risk I take and has changed me in a big way. I was participating in a multi-day trip run by one of the local guiding outfits through the Upper section of the river, a much more difficult and serious undertaking than the Lower Animas, which is frequently run by average day-tripping tou…

My very first whitewater rafting experience I went overboard on the first rapid. Boat just disappeared from under me and I was underwater not knowing which way was up. I had a lifevest and was nowhere near drowning, but it pretty well soured me on adventure sports for the rest of my life.

Re: Increasing numbers of wingsuit jumpers are dying (2016)

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Wingsuit pilot & programmer here. The reason Wingsuit BASE Jumpers keep dying is that you shouldn't jump your wingsuit off a @#$%ing mountain. Please stick to the planes and the helicopters that you're used to.

Its safer than regular base jumping provided you don't try to strafe tree and hilltops and cliffsides. These jumpers are trying to do ever riskier stunts all for the clicks.

I will call bullshit. There is no way it is safer to hug terrain than to jump at altitude from an airplane.

Re: Increasing numbers of wingsuit jumpers are dying (2016)

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post #23

I had a close call this summer whitewater rafting on the Upper Animas River in Colorado and it has caused me to re-think every serious risk I take and has changed me in a big way. I was participating in a multi-day trip run by one of the local guiding outfits through the Upper section of the river, a much more difficult and serious undertaking than the Lower Animas, which is frequently run by average day-tripping tou…

Had an experience like this while surfing, years ago. I trusted a friend and went out surfing when it was double overhead. Had no business doing that, being a fumbling idiot on a board but trusted him. Made it out and caught a wave and wiped out -- can remember fighting the white water for what felt like 20 minutes, tumbling end over end and trying to time my gasps and keep cool. Just hoping I'd be washed inland if I…

"double overhead"?

Re: Increasing numbers of wingsuit jumpers are dying (2016)

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Proximity flying is just inherently dangerous. Even with power, many people have died. Sparky Imeson, who wrote the "bible" of mountain flying, died from flying too close to terrain. The strange thing is that he was actually flying back to somewhere that he had had an accident in the past (the first time he just got seriously injured, the second time he died). If you look at the accident location, there is a valley at right-angles to the valley they're flying up, possibly causing katabatic downdrafts or something similar.

Steve Fossett apparently died flying too close to terrain at high density altitude with forecast winds possibly resulting in downdrafts.

Both of those people were extremely experienced pilots, but they just cut the margin for error too low. The main problem seems to be that winds are somewhat unpredictable, and if you're flying too close to terrain you might not have a chance to recover if you hit a sudden downdraft. I can't imagine doing this with a powered aircraft, never mind a wingsuit.

These pilots who died were 100-300ft from terrain, never mind a few feet like these unpowered wingsuit pilots. If you stall from 100ft you're dead in almost any type of aircraft as there isn't enough altitude to recover. (I don't know how many of these wingsuit deaths were caused by stalls. It seems equally likely that they just misjudged things or a small change in wind just pushed them into terrain).

There's gotta be safer ways to get an adrenaline rush.

Re: Increasing numbers of wingsuit jumpers are dying (2016)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Had an experience like this while surfing, years ago. I trusted a friend and went out surfing when it was double overhead. Had no business doing that, being a fumbling idiot on a board but trusted him. Made it out and caught a wave and wiped out -- can remember fighting the white water for what felt like 20 minutes, tumbling end over end and trying to time my gasps and keep cool. Just hoping I'd be washed inland if I…

"double overhead"?

http://www.surfline.com/surf-science/wave-heights---forecast...
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