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China's New Wave of Internet Censorship: Name Verification for Online Commenting

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Post by throwaway575457 »

neya wrote: post #5

There are a dozen popular live streaming apps in China where one can simply just stream what you're doing to everyone on the site and people can just watch them for hours. You can think of it like Instagram stories or Snapchat per se. Or even Facebook live. This isn't some western media propaganda. I tried one of them very recently (I don't want to give them any undeserved marketing), they allowed me to sign up and t…

Sounds like all the Orwellian (paid for) proposals I was hearing back in India.

"Soon Aadhar will solve all the world's problems." /s

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Post by throwaway575457 »

KGIII wrote: post #163
jawbone3 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, there was nothing political at all about the supression of wikileaks and torrent sites, it was just legal proceedings...

Wikileaks is left-wing? I did not know this. The narrative, of late, has been that Assange is a fan of Trump and aided Putin's goal during the election.

Wings have lost all meaning.

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Post by throwaway575457 »

zzzcpan wrote: post #124
grzm wrote: post #120

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> Of course the national defense agencies were so dumb they haven't noticed that a few guys registered hudreds of thoudands of accounts. Would you elaborate more on the background of this? Were the SIM cards sold and registered with a private company? I would suspect it is (or they were, if more than one). Which national defense agencies are you referring to? Did the national defense agencies search these records? Do…

They are not dumb, they just don't work for the people and terrorism is not even a threat they care about. On the contrary, they consider the people a threat and consider terrorism a form of propaganda, that is useful to trick people into accepting all kinds of crap.

After learning a bit of Latin American history and what's goin on in Yemen, Syria, it'd seem appropriate to rethink our definition of 'terrorist'

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Post by zaro »

pas wrote: post #122
imhoguy wrote: post #113

Nothing surprising. At least they state it officially in the law. But Western goverments approach providers to open backdoors (e.g. Lavabit case) and keep users fooled that they still have any anonimity.

False equivalence. Look how the 8 years Dem controlled spooks were insufficient to get 4 more years. Yes, US law enforcement and security services are doing a lot of dumb things (TSA security theatre, NSA sitting on 0-days and playing cyber instead of helping the civilian sector patch up), but they don't arrest troublemakers. (They arrest you for weed, but not for running an anti-establishment site.)

> They arrest you for weed, but not for running an anti-establishment site

Funny you say that, because arresting people for weed started as a way to arrest people running antiestablishment sites ;) http://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/23/politics/john-ehrlichman-r...

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Post by agumonkey »

zaro wrote: post #167
agumonkey wrote: post #159

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Few years ago I spent time on Omegle. I got to speak with Chinese guys. Their first question was often about how we liked China (maybe invested in national pride, or worried). I love most asian things so I could gladly list much many things I liked from China. Even after that happy introduction, the discussion went into "you know China is not all good" then listing a few problems. So far nothing surprising. But then…

> that's what real lack of freedom of speech is. Thats only half of it. For the other half : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent

I'd call this deprivation of freedom of thought

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Post by losteric »

coldtea wrote: post #155
losteric wrote: post #142

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Obviously most of the right is against Nazis, but the modern conservative faction seems to draw a much higher ratio of violence and fascist rhetoric than the left. When something happens, the media gives right-wing fascists the benefit of the doubt; "we don't know who he is", "he doesn't represent the movement", "he was scared", "he was attacked", "he's crazy", and once the proof is out they tend to draw false equiva…

> When something happens, the media gives right-wing fascists the benefit of the doubt; "we don't know who he is", "he doesn't represent the movement", "he was scared", "he was attacked", "he's crazy", and once the proof is out they tend to draw false equivalencies with left. Does it though? Because I found the majority of the media except niche-oriented ones like FOX and Breibart do not fit that profile.

I should have said conservative media.

CNN had no problems attacking with everything they knew, but they avoided excess speculation and treated the Charlottesville attacker the same as Hodgkinson... which was my point.

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Post by rahimnathwani »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #58
rahimnathwani wrote: post #32

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"you can also get IDs and fake passports easily in China if you want" I've lived in China for 7 years, and your statement surprised me. Care to share more information to support this claim? I'm genuinely curious.

In Zhongguancun in some shady stall on a very high or low e-mall floor, you can get lots of forged documents, including diplomas, IDs, passports, .... Or at least you used to be able to. As with other commerce, I think this is all done online now.

IDs? You mean forged 身份证? That's the only ID that matters if you're in China unless you're a foreigner.

It sounds hard to fake a 身份证 because there are systems to validate their info. You'd get caught pretty quickly.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

rahimnathwani wrote: post #177
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Zhongguancun in some shady stall on a very high or low e-mall floor, you can get lots of forged documents, including diplomas, IDs, passports, .... Or at least you used to be able to. As with other commerce, I think this is all done online now.

IDs? You mean forged 身份证? That's the only ID that matters if you're in China unless you're a foreigner. It sounds hard to fake a 身份证 because there are systems to validate their info. You'd get caught pretty quickly.

Oh, anything can be faked even if it isn't faked well. They work as long as the numbers aren't verified.

There was something about how Wen Jiabao's mom's ID number must have been stolen to drive a billion dollar empire...so, at least as far as the government officials are concerned, it happens (or to say, they use it as an excuse).

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Post by tintinlotus »

neya wrote: post #5

There are a dozen popular live streaming apps in China where one can simply just stream what you're doing to everyone on the site and people can just watch them for hours. You can think of it like Instagram stories or Snapchat per se. Or even Facebook live. This isn't some western media propaganda. I tried one of them very recently (I don't want to give them any undeserved marketing), they allowed me to sign up and t…

as a Chinese, I can verify what you said, It's not something that is normal. You need to upload your ID card no to Ask a question? to comment one? It's just disgusting.

The reason, in my opinion, is that the Chinese leadership is about to change recently, the 19th party meeting, Those who currently control the power just want everything under control. So the do not CARE about what the civilians care about. POWER is above all of that.

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Post by sangnoir »

bryananderson wrote: post #137
chairmanwow wrote: post #45

I'm frightened by how a seemingly pragmatic government has been able to spiral into dogmatic, protectionists policies so rapidly. I suppose that I mistook the recent decades of economic development as evidence of true ideological reform taking place. Now I feel naive for expecting more from the government that imprisoned the father of their ubiquitous high speed rail system. The Eastern desire to require "harmonious…

They're still being pragmatic - they're trying to stay in power. China is ruled by a one-party oligarchy that acts pragmatically in its own interest, not in the people's. A China with higher risk of regime change - even if it's a stronger and more prosperous China - is not in their interest.

> A China with higher risk of regime change - even if it's a stronger and more prosperous China - is not in their interest.

Substitute a few words in there and you would be describing Brexit today. Every ruling regime think they are the best thing for the country and are unlikely to voluntarily step down even when the truth is conyrary to that idea.

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