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Re: Pale Moon blocks AdNauseam extension

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Post by dingo_bat »

vectorpush wrote: post #176
BastardGas wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Use of AdNauseum is more of a "fuck you" to companies like reddit or google who have turned the internet from a forum for free expression to a tool for censorship and social control.

This makes no sense. Have you ever used a web forum before reddit? People get banned all the time for arbitrary reasons on forums all over the web, why should reddit be any different? "The internet" has not been turned into anything, it remains the same as it has always been, a place where communities of varying interests can interact at their own discretion, a freedom which includes the prerogative to exclude anythi…

I've used Slashdot before reddit. Nobody got banned for anything except spam.

Re: Pale Moon blocks AdNauseam extension

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Post by dingo_bat »

jedberg wrote: post #148
BastardGas wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Use of AdNauseum is more of a "fuck you" to companies like reddit or google who have turned the internet from a forum for free expression to a tool for censorship and social control.

If you don't like the rules, you are welcome to not participate. But that's a terrible excuse for knowingly causing damage. Or do you also think it's ok to steal from Walmart because you don't like their corporate policies?

That's like saying if you don't want to get raped don't book an uber. But if you have then you have to play by the rules.

Re: Pale Moon blocks AdNauseam extension

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Post by Gargoyle »

aphextron wrote: post #186
jedberg wrote: post #124

I hear a lot of people in here saying, "Yay for AdNauseum, they are fixing the broken ad system! If sites start charging instead of ads, I'll totally pay!" Let me add a little perspective. A long time ago at reddit we launched reddit gold. At the time, one of the biggest benefits was that if you had gold you could turn off ads. This was in direct response to people saying, "I would rather pay you then use adblock". Y…

Anyone arguing against AdNauseum is totally missing the point here. We, as users, could not possibly care less if your site goes out of business because you are unable to come up with another form of monetization. Something will rise up to take your place that is more user friendly. The market will find a way. I somehow strongly doubt that if the current paradigm of ad based revenue were to disappear overnight, that…

Sounds like you've identified an opportunity to make billions of dollars.

Re: Pale Moon blocks AdNauseam extension

#194

Post by School-Cotton »

aphextron wrote: post #186
jedberg wrote: post #124

I hear a lot of people in here saying, "Yay for AdNauseum, they are fixing the broken ad system! If sites start charging instead of ads, I'll totally pay!" Let me add a little perspective. A long time ago at reddit we launched reddit gold. At the time, one of the biggest benefits was that if you had gold you could turn off ads. This was in direct response to people saying, "I would rather pay you then use adblock". Y…

Anyone arguing against AdNauseum is totally missing the point here. We, as users, could not possibly care less if your site goes out of business because you are unable to come up with another form of monetization. Something will rise up to take your place that is more user friendly. The market will find a way. I somehow strongly doubt that if the current paradigm of ad based revenue were to disappear overnight, that…

> We, as users, could not possibly care less if your site goes out of business

Reddit users wouldn't care if Reddit went out of business? I find that hard to believe.

> Something will rise up to take your place that is more user friendly. The market will find a way.

Got any ideas? Nobody has come up with anything that works so far.

> I somehow strongly doubt that if the current paradigm of ad based revenue were to disappear overnight, that no one would figure out something to take it's place and that the internet would become a barren wasteland devoid of content.

What is this suspicion based on?

Re: Pale Moon blocks AdNauseam extension

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Post by dingo_bat »

JohnTHaller wrote: post #101
wongarsu wrote: post #27

>Generating this kind of traffic does not achieve its intended goal (providing protest against ad networks or causing advertising to fail for ad networks) since the ones punished are the publishers (those who rely on this revenue) and not the ad networks. I don't think I follow? People don't like the ad networks and want them to change or fail. That's achievable by forcing change at either the advertiser, the network…

Yeah, no. This sort of purposefully doing fake clicks at websites you're a fan of thing ups the chances of that website of getting banned from their ad network. Which is paying their hosting bills. Which simply puts them out of business.

That's exactly my purpose. I want all ad supported businesses to die.

Re: Pale Moon blocks AdNauseam extension

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Post by dingo_bat »

chuckdries wrote: post #21
userbinator wrote: post #6

From a quick glance at the thread it seems this "extension blacklist" can be quite easily disabled, and the discussion centers more around the position of the author. Perhaps he has a stake in ad companies too? It's not as if it's difficult to revert the change itself either, fork the project, and keep going: https://github.com/MoonchildProductions/Pale-Moon/commit/fe7... Because this extension causes direct and indi…

But it's distinctly passive with ad blockers. Sure, you want to read my content without supporting me (some publications prevent you from doing so, but mine does not). You're just affecting you. With AdNauseum, you are actively attacking our ability to make money off of other users. You're punishing me for writing content that you want to read.

Some websites don't care about users, and push malicious and obtrusive ads, I don't see a problem in users trying to sabotage their income stream. It's a free web. You are free to serve ads, I'm free to use an extension to spam them.

Re: Pale Moon blocks AdNauseam extension

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Post by wu_tang_chris »

aphextron wrote: post #186
jedberg wrote: post #124

I hear a lot of people in here saying, "Yay for AdNauseum, they are fixing the broken ad system! If sites start charging instead of ads, I'll totally pay!" Let me add a little perspective. A long time ago at reddit we launched reddit gold. At the time, one of the biggest benefits was that if you had gold you could turn off ads. This was in direct response to people saying, "I would rather pay you then use adblock". Y…

Anyone arguing against AdNauseum is totally missing the point here. We, as users, could not possibly care less if your site goes out of business because you are unable to come up with another form of monetization. Something will rise up to take your place that is more user friendly. The market will find a way. I somehow strongly doubt that if the current paradigm of ad based revenue were to disappear overnight, that…

> We, as users, could not possibly care less if your site goes out of business because you are unable to come up with another form of monetization.

Exactly this. The entitlement jedberg shows here, to be able to show ads on a link aggregator (of all useless things) is astonishing.

Re: Pale Moon blocks AdNauseam extension

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Post by [deleted] »

jedberg wrote: post #164
pryelluw wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe. To me it simply shows that removing ads is not a big enough benefit make people pay. Which makes sense because people are now used to ads. They will consume the content either way.

But we're talking about people who install a program that purposely defrauds advertisers.

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Re: Pale Moon blocks AdNauseam extension

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Post by [deleted] »

jedberg wrote: post #166
davidgerard wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you don't like the rules, you are welcome to not participate. Playing your ads in my browser is "the rules" now? If you want to claim it's "the rules", you need a paywall. Oh, you're not putting up a paywall? Fancy that. Do you offer legally enforceable indemnity against people getting malware from ads you serve? If not, then you can't really tell them not to block the ads.

We're talking about people who install a program to defraud advertisers. The complaint was, "we're sticking it to people who censor and use social control." "The rules" in this case are that censorship and social control (presumably) exist on the platform. If you don't like that, don't participate. But don't say, "OMG censorship" and use that to justify defrauding advertisers while continuing to use the free site tha…

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Re: Pale Moon blocks AdNauseam extension

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Post by wu_tang_chris »

jedberg wrote: post #175
davidgerard wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You didn't answer the question: Do you offer legally enforceable indemnity against people getting malware from ads you serve? If not, then you can't really tell them not to block the ads.

I don't work for reddit anymore, so I don't offer anything. But no, I don't think reddit offers that, as no site does. That's a perfectly fine excuse to run adblock, but my original thesis was that people say, "If you let me remove ads I'll pay" and those people are being disingenuous when they don't pay. It still doesn't justify the topic at hand, which is a program that attacks the ad networks and defrauds the adve…

No. The topic at hand is whether or not I'm allowed to run the program on my computer. And regardless of what argument you or any other business man 2.0 can proffer, I am. Because it's my computer.
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