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Then that tells you that the content you are providing isn't worth much.
I think I said as much above. That most people don't get the same value that the advertisers do.
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Re: Pale Moon blocks AdNauseam extension
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Sure. Like I said, some people bought it and then disabled ads, and that's cool. Some people even bought it and left the ads, that was even cooler! But a lot of people, people who directly said, "I will pay you if you let me remove the ads", did not.
Then that tells you that the content you are providing isn't worth much.
I don't think it tells them that. There is not much incentive to provide any vendor with a special altruistic dispensation when you're already getting the desired experience at no cost. This is the case regardless of the value or importance of the experience provided.
The simple fact is that if people don't have to pay for something, most of them won't. And that makes plenty of sense.
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Blocking is much different than fraudulently clicking.
Google terms of service does not forbid users from producing invalid clicks either. (Point 1, it's called invalid, not fraudulent. Point 2, Google does forbid website owners, but not users.) I am just objecting to your statement that when one uses Google's service, one is making any sort of agreement that one wouldn't block ads or produce invalid clicks. There is no such agreement.
Google implicitly forbids users by holding the website owner liable.
Years ago, I had a small site that ran banner ads. A couple of users found the site really useful so they clicked on lots of ads thinking that it would help the site. Unsurprisingly, I got banned, even though my visitors had the best intentions.
Re: Pale Moon blocks AdNauseam extension
#154What a perfect Streisand effect. I am going to check that so much polarising AdNaus...thingie.
Re: Pale Moon blocks AdNauseam extension
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Use of AdNauseum is more of a "fuck you" to companies like reddit or google who have turned the internet from a forum for free expression to a tool for censorship and social control.
If you don't like the rules, you are welcome to not participate. But that's a terrible excuse for knowingly causing damage. Or do you also think it's ok to steal from Walmart because you don't like their corporate policies?
> If you don't like the rules, you are welcome to not participate.
Playing your ads in my browser is "the rules" now?
If you want to claim it's "the rules", you need a paywall.
Oh, you're not putting up a paywall? Fancy that.
Do you offer legally enforceable indemnity against people getting malware from ads you serve? If not, then you can't really tell them not to block the ads.
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#156I hear a lot of people in here saying, "Yay for AdNauseum, they are fixing the broken ad system! If sites start charging instead of ads, I'll totally pay!" Let me add a little perspective. A long time ago at reddit we launched reddit gold. At the time, one of the biggest benefits was that if you had gold you could turn off ads. This was in direct response to people saying, "I would rather pay you then use adblock". Y…
Ad networks don't follow the same laws which all advertisement companies have to follow in all other form of media, so why should people have to pay in order to get rid of them? This is the wild wild west, and paying the bandits to go away is always a bad idea.
What would happen if reddit had to use a ad network that vetted every single advertisement they displayed and took legal responsibility that local advertisement laws was followed? In my case there would be no advertisement towards children, no tobacco or alcohol, and no drugs or medical advice. There would naturally also be no scams or misrepresenting information. If we go as far as to the same standard as advertisement in a news paper, we also get no tracking. How much would reddit users have to pay in order for reddit to live on only the same rate as a printed paper get from advertisement?
Advertisement supported news papers are generally free so would it be possible that the reddit price would also be free?
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On the one hand, I agree with your sentiment in general. However, it's a double edged sword here. LOTS of people are so sick of advertising networks, tracking, privacy invasion and malware from compromised ad networks that the underlying issue, the idea that click and impression based advertising is fundamentally flawed, is something that people are going to continue to protest. If the system is so broken that it's s…
Those people are free not to visit our website. Or even to block all ads if the site gracefully allows it (most do, mine do).
> Those people are free not to visit our website.
If you meant that, you'd have a paywall up.
Do you offer legally enforceable indemnity against people getting malware from ads you serve? If not, then you can't really tell them not to block the ads.
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How come? The originator of AdNauseum is https://www.nyu.edu/projects/nissenbaum/
I didn't say that the writer of AdNauseam was of that crowd, but the folks pushing it sure are.
Only some of them are. There is a very broadly diverse resistance to Google's influence on terran politics.
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>My point is, I don't think a lot of you are being totally honest when you say you'd be willing to pay if the site removed advertising. Well why would I do it if I don't have to? I'm happy to pay for Netflix because there are no ads and it's just a better more convenient product than torrenting is.
> Well why would I do it if I don't have to? You absolutely don't. But if you say, "I would pay you to get rid of ads", and then I get rid of them and you don't pay, that makes you a bit of a hypocrite, no?
Maybe. To me it simply shows that removing ads is not a big enough benefit make people pay. Which makes sense because people are now used to ads. They will consume the content either way.
Re: Pale Moon blocks AdNauseam extension
#160I hear a lot of people in here saying, "Yay for AdNauseum, they are fixing the broken ad system! If sites start charging instead of ads, I'll totally pay!" Let me add a little perspective. A long time ago at reddit we launched reddit gold. At the time, one of the biggest benefits was that if you had gold you could turn off ads. This was in direct response to people saying, "I would rather pay you then use adblock". Y…
This is true; however, some people (me included) think that the harm ads do outweighs the benefits of free services.