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So, now that it's clear the GCSB broke the law and did wrong, who of them is going to jail?
Until individuals are held responsible and go to jail, this kind of thing will never stop, because there are no consequences.
If the spying had been "successful" Kim would have gone to jail, lost his wealth, etc. for breaking the law. So, now that it's clear the GCSB broke the law and did wrong, who of them is going to jail? Until individuals are held responsible and go to jail, this kind of thing will never stop, because there are no consequences.
Not only are their no consequences, but the actors at that level know there will be no consequences if they get caught before they commit the crimes. The justice & legal system is far too corrupt to ever touch the de facto oligarchy.
If the spying had been "successful" Kim would have gone to jail, lost his wealth, etc. for breaking the law. So, now that it's clear the GCSB broke the law and did wrong, who of them is going to jail? Until individuals are held responsible and go to jail, this kind of thing will never stop, because there are no consequences.
The same people that are going to jail for Obama admin's illegal unmasking of US citizen names or Hillary's illegal destruction of evidence under federal subpoena: NO ONE. Not only are their no consequences, but the actors at that level know there will be no consequences if they get caught before they commit the crimes. The justice & legal system is far too corrupt to ever touch the de facto oligarchy.
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The problem here for the US is that nobody sane actually believes the universal standard some US judges insists exist, as a lot of commercial activity(as in pretty much every tech company in the US's non-US revenue) depends on the US respecting the view that no US court have universal jurisdiction. This makes it extremely problematic if the US start going after a NZ citizens who have been cleared of the alleged crime…
The mention of NZ citizens here prompts an interesting point. Dotcom is currently a legal resident of NZ but has not yet been granted citizenship. As I understand it, he has now lived in the country long enough to apply for citizenship, and if granted citizenship then he would be given more rights in terms of how his extradition is dealt with. One requirement of the grant of citizenship is that the applicant is "of g…
At this point I think the entire case needs to be thrown out, or settled. Leave Kim alone. This entire mess really should've never gotten this far.
GCSB, the NZ spy agency, has certainly strayed by using their powers against a NZ citizen, and there should be repercussions.
However, the DoJ's case against Dotcom does not revolve around GCSB. Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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The same people that are going to jail for Obama admin's illegal unmasking of US citizen names or Hillary's illegal destruction of evidence under federal subpoena: NO ONE. Not only are their no consequences, but the actors at that level know there will be no consequences if they get caught before they commit the crimes. The justice & legal system is far too corrupt to ever touch the de facto oligarchy.
Let's not forget the kidnap and murder of Osama bin Laden.
Violating human rights against one individual, is, as per the original definition, violating the rights of all of humanity.
I get that this was an extreme case, but there's always an extreme case that goes first, and the line gets gradually pushed further and further. We've seen this in history countless times.
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Let's not forget the kidnap and murder of Osama bin Laden.
I know this is controversial, but he was sentences to death with no trail or anything. Violating human rights against one individual, is, as per the original definition, violating the rights of all of humanity. I get that this was an extreme case, but there's always an extreme case that goes first, and the line gets gradually pushed further and further. We've seen this in history countless times.
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I know this is controversial, but he was sentences to death with no trail or anything. Violating human rights against one individual, is, as per the original definition, violating the rights of all of humanity. I get that this was an extreme case, but there's always an extreme case that goes first, and the line gets gradually pushed further and further. We've seen this in history countless times.
You can't exactly expect all war deaths to come with trials though.
Would have been better if the US took the Taliban up on their offer to turn over Bin Laden shortly after the WTC attacks. Very few people even remember the offer was made.