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It's not schadenfreude, and this latest uptick in AdNauseam installation&use is not caused by anti-ad attitudes, but as backlash against what is perceived as thought policing by google, mostly in form of demonetizing and silencing popular YouTube users who lean right in their political expression.
Yeah its a politic war. I believe it all started when some people on the left got some companies to pull their ads from some right wing Fox anchor. Unless someone knows of events older than this?
Google Issuing Refunds to Advertisers Over Fake Traffic, Plans New Safeguard
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#153People just want free stuff. Google did introduce a program (Contributor) which would allow users to pay to fund their content creators without seeing ads. Last I heard that program was not doing well.
My problem with such programs is they require you to be logged-in to work. As soon as you use incognito mode, sorry chump.
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#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
This isn't shadenfreude ; it's a type of direct action against advertising and indirectly the type of hyper-capitalism that allowed advertising to become malignant. When profit is the only metric that counts, the only way to send a message is to disrupt the flow of revenue. > seems nothing but despicable I'd suggest viewing it from the other side, but I suspect Upton Sinclair's caution may apply: "It is difficult to…
You overestimate the amount of impact adnauseam makes. Users that click on many ads on one page within a short time window, but never convert? Obviously fraud that's being filtered, the user will be blacklisted on both the supply and the demand side, and you very quickly make no impact at all, and will most certainly not disrupt the flow of revenue for anybody involved here. That's not some outlandish futuristic tech…
I think this is why companies are paying real software engineers top $ to come up with real solutions to this non-trivial problem.
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#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
If ads were the only type of information, we were already doomed. For example, why do you think reviews are so important? Also, you are reading articles through HN, not by watching ads for them first. Then there is the age-old word-of-mouth. Or seeing products in action with friends. I could go on and on.
I see that you have a very practical and scalable solution out there. We will gush about a movie/product/service launch on television and call it news. One might even consider incentivising people to write positive reviews, we will just not call them ads. Why havent we seen any of these yet ? I have my review-blocker, post-blocker, word-of-mouth blocker startups still in waiting.
In this vast sea of noise, it is very hard to find good information. These massive industries keep churning out ads in a million different forms & keep blurring the lines between ad/content with a motive to sell and trustworthy content from a real person without ulterior motives.
Its a constant never-ending war on trustworthy content and erodes the webs utility as a whole. In the past 10 years the web has become more and more of an artificially curated garden to sell you shit and keep you clicking.. and despite many protests about ads, they remain invasive and pervasive.
They ignore all these concerns and keep ramping it up. So I don't think twice about using AdNaseaum.
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#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
If enough users adopt this, the effect will be advertisers flee whatever websites those users frequent. The end result being those websites (due to declines in revenue) cut their staffs, reducing the quantity and quality of their content. And then AdNauseum users complain on certain subreddits about the declining quality of the target sites. AdNauseum seems to be a case of "you destroy what you love."
Something that can only support itself with ads has no right to exist at all in my view.
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#157People just want free stuff. Google did introduce a program (Contributor) which would allow users to pay to fund their content creators without seeing ads. Last I heard that program was not doing well.
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#158A few honest questions for anyone who's an ad buyer for mixed media: I've wondered how advertisers look at broadcast advertising compared to digital. For one there's no direct correlation (as in a click) with broadcast television. There's also no direct accounting of who actually saw it, just a best guess based on Neilson numbers. It seems to me that DVR's are akin to ad blockers as well. Why is digital so conversati…
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#159While Google's users usually don't notice, Google's algorithms for just about everything besides searching are deficient. The abuse and reporting system is almost laughably easy to convince to nuke competitors content off search results. Or people. Like everyone else, it is simply a vote counter. The "winner" receives a boot. But that's not really exceptional. Where Google distinguishes itself is in how heavily it relies on heuristics and machine learning.
Most people outside the field think it must be good because it sounds very smart and Google "just works". What they don't see is how legitimate content is silently deranked based on keywords or association with sites that have been deranked. The AI isn't audited. It can't be, because nobody can get ahold of anyone at the tech giant to tell them. I've read many, many security analysis' by Google. It's a funny thing: They never consider if Google itself might be the security problem. That's usually one of the first things a competent security analyst asks: "Is it our own processes that might be creating vulnerability?"
Of course people only hear about new and "cool" applications of AI. Nobody cares about the nuts and bolts. Doubly so when the corporate cultures of these businesses are so youth-centric there's nobody old enough in their organizations to know where the landmines are. Older people have seen enough failure and fucking up to avoid a lot of it. They're also more reactive to feedback from others, though it's still something the industry is deficient in at all levels of expertise to an abnormal degree. Between culture and attitude, it's created an invisible crisis in the field. It's also giving newcomers to the field unrealistic expectations. A lot of people who enter the field leave a couple years later when they find out most of our field is less cutting edge and more fire axe. The majority of us clean up the messes the technology leaves - or the people who use it. Failure is the norm; It's success that's aberrant.
This disconnect between action and consequence has created a culture of arrogance and overconfidence. It must have been a very obvious exploit for them to act. Or, more likely, someone threatened to sue. They claim they'll be creating "new safeguards". I'd bet dollars to donuts it'll be some half baked AI that worked in the lab. But the moment it goes into production it'll fall flat on its face. That's common to most IT projects -- but the managers are generally cognizant of the failure, even if action isn't taken. It seems to be the trend lately for Facebook, fistfuls of startups, etc., to not be aware, or admit, to a problem. They are often actively hostile to the possibility. I recall awhile back Zuckerberg claiming "Young people are just smarter", even as the dumpster fire that was his website was prompting legislators in a dozen countries to consider legislation and programs aimed at limiting exposure. It is causing psychological disorders in youth -- including stress, anxiety, addiction. It's even being linked to an increased risk of suicide and an epidemic of "cyber bullying". The disconnect is palpable -- Google and Facebook's corporate culture has much in common, but they have good company. Many companies try to emulate those two.
It's a little off-topic -- but this is also why we have programs like the H1-B visa program. Those of us on the front line often criticize it because there's plenty of IT talent right here at home. That's true, but a lot of that talent got a good look at the shitshow that is this industry and left. Rather than improve industry practices and reforming culture, they just turn to foreign labor to keep prices low. They can't get enough kids ignorant of the realities of the field to work long hours for peanuts, subsisting largely on the false promises of riches and living on the edge.
The bottom line is, Google (and many others) isn't a beacon of success, but rather a lighthouse warning us to keep away from a veritable charybdis of poor judgement and toxic culture. We shouldn't be trying to emulate it, but the appearance of success is often so seductive people don't ask what it cost. Like a rip tide, most people don't see it until it's too late.
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#160They use an adblocker called adnauseum that sends a click through to every ad blocked.