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Re: A Muslim PhD student gets targeted as a security risk; now he wants to know why

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Post by gamechangr »

Cyph0n wrote: post #18
gamechangr wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

" there are in FACT radical christians who kill innocents in the Us?" Where? That doesn't sound credible, but let me give you the benefit of the doubt. Don't get 1 nut job...show me what you mean?

> Don't get 1 nut job...show me what you mean? I would argue that all terrorists are nutjobs, so... Look up the history of attacks on abortion clinics.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/11/29/us/30abortion...

It's not representative - only 9 people are mentioned.

edit: I corrected the caps...thank you. I didn't know.

Re: A Muslim PhD student gets targeted as a security risk; now he wants to know why

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Post by blabberer »

Cyph0n wrote: post #15
blabberer wrote: post #14

He voluntarily associates and culturally identifies with a group of people who are culturally incompatible with the country (Sharia, triple talaq,festivals which involve cutting goats on the road,etc) and are a threat to national security (a lot of terrorist attacks are after all funded by Muslim countries). Would a KKK member who openly identified as one, even on the job, be allowed to keep it?

> Sharia, triple talaq,festivals which involve cutting goats on the road,etc Why do I get the feeling that you just read an article about "creeping Sharia in America"? > a lot of terrorist attacks are after all funded by Muslim countries Citation, please. > Would a KKK member who openly identified as one, even on the job, be allowed to keep it? Are you implying that a regular Muslim is equivalent to a KKK member? Hav…

>Why do I get the feeling that you just read an article about "creeping Sharia in America"?

No, I live in India and have seen the stuff they can do when they become a majority (and dont forget they did try imposing SHaria in UK a while ago) https://www.theguardian.com/law/2017/mar/01/inside-britains-... . I say tried because, as the article mentions, their rulings have no legal standing. It is still however a parallel legal system they choose to adhere to.

>Citation, please.

They do inevitably turn out to be Muslim most of the time, though I admit its anecdotal and I have not collated data

>Are you implying that a regular Muslim is equivalent to a KKK member? Have you ever even spoken to a Muslim?

Muslims are below 5% of the American population... which is why they are not vocal. Talk to a Muslim from Saudi\UAE\Pakistan to know how Muslims actually are. Talk to them about something a bit uncomfortable, like maybe religious freedom, alcohol or womens liberty.. and see how fast they shut down.

Re: A Muslim PhD student gets targeted as a security risk; now he wants to know why

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Post by x0137294744532 »

blabberer wrote: post #14

He voluntarily associates and culturally identifies with a group of people who are culturally incompatible with the country (Sharia, triple talaq,festivals which involve cutting goats on the road,etc) and are a threat to national security (a lot of terrorist attacks are after all funded by Muslim countries). Would a KKK member who openly identified as one, even on the job, be allowed to keep it?

> He voluntarily associates and culturally identifies with a group of people who are culturally incompatible with the country (Sharia, triple talaq,festivals which involve cutting goats on the road,etc) and are a threat to national security (a lot of terrorist attacks are after all funded by Muslim countries).

According to this logic, by being a conservative american protestant, you culturally associate with westboro baptist church. Also, by being a strong believing hindu, you obviously culturally associate yourself with the massacre of muslims, and vice versa.

This doesn't make sense.

Re: A Muslim PhD student gets targeted as a security risk; now he wants to know why

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Post by Cyph0n »

gamechangr wrote: post #21
Cyph0n wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Don't get 1 nut job...show me what you mean? I would argue that all terrorists are nutjobs, so... Look up the history of attacks on abortion clinics.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/11/29/us/30abortion... It's not representative - only 9 people are mentioned. edit: I corrected the caps...thank you. I didn't know.

What are you talking about? The link you added supports my claim: there are in fact radical Christian terrorist attacks in the US.

Re: A Muslim PhD student gets targeted as a security risk; now he wants to know why

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Post by grzm »

gamechangr wrote: post #21
Cyph0n wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Don't get 1 nut job...show me what you mean? I would argue that all terrorists are nutjobs, so... Look up the history of attacks on abortion clinics.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/11/29/us/30abortion... It's not representative - only 9 people are mentioned. edit: I corrected the caps...thank you. I didn't know.

As the guidelines request, please don't use uppercase for emphasis on HN.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

To everyone in this thread: This entire topic is incredibly contentious and as such requires even more care and benefit of the doubt when engaging in discussion. Please ask yourself, what is your goal in discussion here? To understand the others you're talking with? To express your opinion? To convince the "other side"? If you're not here for useful, constructive, civil, and respectful discussion, please just refrain from commenting. Shouting louder than every one else is not helpful, and as the mods repeatedly point out, HN is not the place for ideological flamewars.

Re: A Muslim PhD student gets targeted as a security risk; now he wants to know why

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Post by blabberer »

throwaway613834 wrote: post #17
blabberer wrote: post #14

He voluntarily associates and culturally identifies with a group of people who are culturally incompatible with the country (Sharia, triple talaq,festivals which involve cutting goats on the road,etc) and are a threat to national security (a lot of terrorist attacks are after all funded by Muslim countries). Would a KKK member who openly identified as one, even on the job, be allowed to keep it?

> culturally incompatible with the country (festivals which involve cutting goats on the road) Uh... what ? Would sending drones from a country 7,000 miles away to silently drop bombs on your head be more "culturally compatible"?

MAy or may not be NSFW depending on where you work, but http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/dhaka-streets-b...

They are a small percentage of the American population, but this is what their religious celebrations look like

Re: A Muslim PhD student gets targeted as a security risk; now he wants to know why

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Post by blabberer »

x0137294744532 wrote: post #23
blabberer wrote: post #14

He voluntarily associates and culturally identifies with a group of people who are culturally incompatible with the country (Sharia, triple talaq,festivals which involve cutting goats on the road,etc) and are a threat to national security (a lot of terrorist attacks are after all funded by Muslim countries). Would a KKK member who openly identified as one, even on the job, be allowed to keep it?

> He voluntarily associates and culturally identifies with a group of people who are culturally incompatible with the country (Sharia, triple talaq,festivals which involve cutting goats on the road,etc) and are a threat to national security (a lot of terrorist attacks are after all funded by Muslim countries). According to this logic, by being a conservative american protestant, you culturally associate with westboro…

>strong believing hindu, you obviously culturally associate yourself with the massacre of muslims, and vice versa

Hindus dont have religious literature (and Hindu countries dont have laws) against other religious. Muslims do, Muslim countries do. I dont know anything about Christianity though, but yes, I guess you do culturally associate with all churches if you are openly Christian and wear a cross at work,etc.

Re: A Muslim PhD student gets targeted as a security risk; now he wants to know why

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Post by [deleted] »

Cyph0n wrote: post #24
gamechangr wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/11/29/us/30abortion... It's not representative - only 9 people are mentioned. edit: I corrected the caps...thank you. I didn't know.

What are you talking about? The link you added supports my claim: there are in fact radical Christian terrorist attacks in the US.

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Re: A Muslim PhD student gets targeted as a security risk; now he wants to know why

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Post by Fgapd »

Go away, the fact you see yourself as the victim is the problem. It's all about how you as a victim. Your religion idolises a child rapist. Encourages murder of non believers, rape and pillaging, and as a result of your religious beliefs are surprised by people's vulgar reaction?

Re: A Muslim PhD student gets targeted as a security risk; now he wants to know why

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Post by Cyph0n »

Fgapd wrote: post #29

Go away, the fact you see yourself as the victim is the problem. It's all about how you as a victim. Your religion idolises a child rapist. Encourages murder of non believers, rape and pillaging, and as a result of your religious beliefs are surprised by people's vulgar reaction?

I'm sorry you feel that way.

> Encourages murder of non believers, rape and pillaging

If this were all actually true, don't you think that things would be quite... different, given that 1/7 of the world's population is Muslim?

I for one have never murdered, raped, or pillaged :P

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