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A Muslim PhD student gets targeted as a security risk; now he wants to know why

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Re: A Muslim PhD student gets targeted as a security risk; now he wants to know why

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Post by Cyph0n »

gamechangr wrote: post #10
Cyph0n wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The biggest problem I see with this kind of argument is that once you enable the explicit and outright marginalization of a particular group, it becomes essentially impossible to ensure that it stays limited to said group. See: "First they came...". There are two other problems with this mindset. The first is that objectively quantifying the benefit vs. downside of marginalizing a particular group doesn't happen. Ins…

It's not that confusing. We don't see radical Buddhist bombing things?

You are missing the point entirely. It's not about the "why", but rather the precedent it sets.

> We DON"T have Radical Christians, Radical Hindus, Radicial Buddhist trying to blow up civilians.

Ehh there are in fact radical Christians who kill innocents in the US. Radical Hindus and Buddhists also exist, but in other countries.

> It does mean however that more specific attention should be paid to muslims, as they are most likely to contain the threat.

So I assume you think it's OK to profile people of other religions and/or ethnicities (e.g., African Americans)?

Re: A Muslim PhD student gets targeted as a security risk; now he wants to know why

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Post by foota »

gamechangr wrote: post #10
Cyph0n wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The biggest problem I see with this kind of argument is that once you enable the explicit and outright marginalization of a particular group, it becomes essentially impossible to ensure that it stays limited to said group. See: "First they came...". There are two other problems with this mindset. The first is that objectively quantifying the benefit vs. downside of marginalizing a particular group doesn't happen. Ins…

It's not that confusing. We don't see radical Buddhist bombing things?

What about the guy that plowed through a crowd of protesters last week?

Re: A Muslim PhD student gets targeted as a security risk; now he wants to know why

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Post by [deleted] »

Cyph0n wrote: post #11
gamechangr wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not that confusing. We don't see radical Buddhist bombing things?

You are missing the point entirely. It's not about the "why", but rather the precedent it sets. > We DON"T have Radical Christians, Radical Hindus, Radicial Buddhist trying to blow up civilians. Ehh there are in fact radical Christians who kill innocents in the US. Radical Hindus and Buddhists also exist, but in other countries. > It does mean however that more specific attention should be paid to muslims, as they ar…

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Re: A Muslim PhD student gets targeted as a security risk; now he wants to know why

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Post by blabberer »

He voluntarily associates and culturally identifies with a group of people who are culturally incompatible with the country (Sharia, triple talaq,festivals which involve cutting goats on the road,etc) and are a threat to national security (a lot of terrorist attacks are after all funded by Muslim countries).

Would a KKK member who openly identified as one, even on the job, be allowed to keep it?

Re: A Muslim PhD student gets targeted as a security risk; now he wants to know why

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Post by Cyph0n »

blabberer wrote: post #14

He voluntarily associates and culturally identifies with a group of people who are culturally incompatible with the country (Sharia, triple talaq,festivals which involve cutting goats on the road,etc) and are a threat to national security (a lot of terrorist attacks are after all funded by Muslim countries). Would a KKK member who openly identified as one, even on the job, be allowed to keep it?

> Sharia, triple talaq,festivals which involve cutting goats on the road,etc

Why do I get the feeling that you just read an article about "creeping Sharia in America"?

> a lot of terrorist attacks are after all funded by Muslim countries

Citation, please.

> Would a KKK member who openly identified as one, even on the job, be allowed to keep it?

Are you implying that a regular Muslim is equivalent to a KKK member? Have you ever even spoken to a Muslim?

Re: A Muslim PhD student gets targeted as a security risk; now he wants to know why

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Post by gamechangr »

Cyph0n wrote: post #11
gamechangr wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not that confusing. We don't see radical Buddhist bombing things?

You are missing the point entirely. It's not about the "why", but rather the precedent it sets. > We DON"T have Radical Christians, Radical Hindus, Radicial Buddhist trying to blow up civilians. Ehh there are in fact radical Christians who kill innocents in the US. Radical Hindus and Buddhists also exist, but in other countries. > It does mean however that more specific attention should be paid to muslims, as they ar…

" there are in FACT radical christians who kill innocents in the Us?"

Where? That doesn't sound credible, but let me give you the benefit of the doubt.

Don't get 1 nut job...show me what you mean?

Re: A Muslim PhD student gets targeted as a security risk; now he wants to know why

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Post by throwaway613834 »

blabberer wrote: post #14

He voluntarily associates and culturally identifies with a group of people who are culturally incompatible with the country (Sharia, triple talaq,festivals which involve cutting goats on the road,etc) and are a threat to national security (a lot of terrorist attacks are after all funded by Muslim countries). Would a KKK member who openly identified as one, even on the job, be allowed to keep it?

> culturally incompatible with the country (festivals which involve cutting goats on the road)

Uh... what?

Would sending drones from a country 7,000 miles away to silently drop bombs on your head be more "culturally compatible"?

Re: A Muslim PhD student gets targeted as a security risk; now he wants to know why

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Post by Cyph0n »

gamechangr wrote: post #16
Cyph0n wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are missing the point entirely. It's not about the "why", but rather the precedent it sets. > We DON"T have Radical Christians, Radical Hindus, Radicial Buddhist trying to blow up civilians. Ehh there are in fact radical Christians who kill innocents in the US. Radical Hindus and Buddhists also exist, but in other countries. > It does mean however that more specific attention should be paid to muslims, as they ar…

" there are in FACT radical christians who kill innocents in the Us?" Where? That doesn't sound credible, but let me give you the benefit of the doubt. Don't get 1 nut job...show me what you mean?

> Don't get 1 nut job...show me what you mean?

I would argue that all terrorists are nutjobs, so...

Look up the history of attacks on abortion clinics.

Re: A Muslim PhD student gets targeted as a security risk; now he wants to know why

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Post by DanBC »

gamechangr wrote: post #10
Cyph0n wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The biggest problem I see with this kind of argument is that once you enable the explicit and outright marginalization of a particular group, it becomes essentially impossible to ensure that it stays limited to said group. See: "First they came...". There are two other problems with this mindset. The first is that objectively quantifying the benefit vs. downside of marginalizing a particular group doesn't happen. Ins…

It's not that confusing. We don't see radical Buddhist bombing things?

Yes we do. Look up the 969 movement, or Bodu Bala Sena, or the Democratic Karen Buddhist Army.

Re: A Muslim PhD student gets targeted as a security risk; now he wants to know why

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Post by Fgapd »

foota wrote: post #12
gamechangr wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not that confusing. We don't see radical Buddhist bombing things?

What about the guy that plowed through a crowd of protesters last week?

Completely different level to someone who plows through people and then attacks others with machetes.
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