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There might be a ballot measure to decriminalize psilocybin in Calfornia in 2018

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Re: There might be a ballot measure to decriminalize psilocybin in Calfornia in 2018

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It's nice to see the unraveling of the drug war Nixon gave us in 1970 (and really earlier). It only took, what? 45 years? I dare say it's the bloodiest war we've ever fought.

How many people do you wager bled any amount over the half century in this 'war'? It is my understanding that a lot of people (rightfully) faced criminal penalties, and even that number pales in comparison to the victims of actual violence in real wars.

Re: There might be a ballot measure to decriminalize psilocybin in Calfornia in 2018

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It's nice to see the unraveling of the drug war Nixon gave us in 1970 (and really earlier). It only took, what? 45 years? I dare say it's the bloodiest war we've ever fought.

How many people do you wager bled any amount over the half century in this 'war'? It is my understanding that a lot of people (rightfully) faced criminal penalties, and even that number pales in comparison to the victims of actual violence in real wars.

You're completely uninformed. The US drug war has had devastating effects on many countries around the globe, from Colombia to Afghanistan.

For a well-written and in-depth overview, I recommend "The Politics of Heroin."

Re: There might be a ballot measure to decriminalize psilocybin in Calfornia in 2018

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post #2

It's nice to see the unraveling of the drug war Nixon gave us in 1970 (and really earlier). It only took, what? 45 years? I dare say it's the bloodiest war we've ever fought.

How many people do you wager bled any amount over the half century in this 'war'? It is my understanding that a lot of people (rightfully) faced criminal penalties, and even that number pales in comparison to the victims of actual violence in real wars.

For the prohibition, conservatively the homicide rate dropped 5-13%.

if about 15k people in the US are murdered every year. Ending drug prohibition would save lets say 10% of those murdered? or 1,500 people. thats about half the amount killed on 9/11. This isn't counting all the deaths south of the border or all of the violence.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2011/10/02/opinion/sunday/the-not...

Re: There might be a ballot measure to decriminalize psilocybin in Calfornia in 2018

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many people do you wager bled any amount over the half century in this 'war'? It is my understanding that a lot of people (rightfully) faced criminal penalties, and even that number pales in comparison to the victims of actual violence in real wars.

You're completely uninformed. The US drug war has had devastating effects on many countries around the globe, from Colombia to Afghanistan. For a well-written and in-depth overview, I recommend "The Politics of Heroin."

You are horribly underinformed if you think any of Afghanistan's issues are rooted in US domestic drug policy. I recommend reading more than one book on the history of the region.

Re: There might be a ballot measure to decriminalize psilocybin in Calfornia in 2018

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many people do you wager bled any amount over the half century in this 'war'? It is my understanding that a lot of people (rightfully) faced criminal penalties, and even that number pales in comparison to the victims of actual violence in real wars.

For the prohibition, conservatively the homicide rate dropped 5-13%. if about 15k people in the US are murdered every year. Ending drug prohibition would save lets say 10% of those murdered? or 1,500 people. thats about half the amount killed on 9/11. This isn't counting all the deaths south of the border or all of the violence. https://mobile.nytimes.com/2011/10/02/opinion/sunday/the-not...

This is a rather lazy analysis. Would you like to consider any more than a single act of terrorism on the other side of your accounting? 'All of the death [or violence] south of the border' is also rather imprecise and self-generous.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're completely uninformed. The US drug war has had devastating effects on many countries around the globe, from Colombia to Afghanistan. For a well-written and in-depth overview, I recommend "The Politics of Heroin."

You are horribly underinformed if you think any of Afghanistan's issues are rooted in US domestic drug policy. I recommend reading more than one book on the history of the region.

Do you have any suggestions for another good book to read?

Re: There might be a ballot measure to decriminalize psilocybin in Calfornia in 2018

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are horribly underinformed if you think any of Afghanistan's issues are rooted in US domestic drug policy. I recommend reading more than one book on the history of the region.

Do you have any suggestions for another good book to read?

Any holistic examination of the history of conflict in the region should suffice. Even this should suffice: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_(1978–pre...
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