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Facebook Figured Out My Family Secrets, and It Won't Tell Me How

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Re: Facebook Figured Out My Family Secrets, and It Won't Tell Me How

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There's at least a theoretical possibility that even Facebook does not exactly know why they make certain recommendations. This could be just a machine doing all the work. All kinds of data goes in, predictions are made. Facebook users give feedback by accepting/rejecting the recommendations and algorithms learn and adjust accordingly.

And who builds this machine and how do they tune/debug/improve it?

Pretty sure any given computation could be traced, though it might take a bit of work and need to be captured fairly quickly...

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Facebook once suggested I friend my dentist. We've never had any online correspondence.

Does your dentist have free WiFi?

Ha! That's genius, using WiFi BSSID to find people who are in close proximity.

Actually one doesn't even need to sign in to it.

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Likely she searched for the name "porter" at some point suggesting that she is interested in people with that name. Combined with 2nd and 3rd degree phone and email connections that might be a strong indicator for FBs algorithm.

Yep, the article totally ignores it. The fact that she immediately said that they are related, makes me believe she was looking at his profile earlier, and FB just picked up on it.

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You are 100% correct about this. People have appeared on "People you may know" when I have absolutely zero connection to them other than I have chatted to the on What's App... I'm afraid I may have to stop using the service soon... was great until FB bought it.

I agree - it is amazing how even a small mention of a product in a whatsapp conversation with my friends turns into a barrage of related ads on Facebook. We have even started teasing each other by mention funny products just to indundate each other with irrelevant ads. So sad - my assumption is: anything you say or do in an electronic device is NOT private.

I wonder how this could work when Whatsapp advertises that conversations are encrypted end-to-end.

Re: Facebook Figured Out My Family Secrets, and It Won't Tell Me How

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The history of Jews in the Netherlands during the Nazi Holocaust, many of whom were identified through census records, comes to mind. https://ww2gravestone.com/holocaust-in-the-netherlands/ For contemporary instances, consider that the present U.S. administration openly supports racist, neo-Nazi, White Supremecist, and similar organisations. Social-graph association of undocumented immigrants, Muslims, gang- (or non-…

> the present U.S. administration openly supports racist, neo-Nazi, White Supremecist, and similar organisations.

Not true, highly offensive, and inflammatory. Citations obviously required.

Re: Facebook Figured Out My Family Secrets, and It Won't Tell Me How

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> It was not a very convincing excuse. Facebook gets people to hand over information about themselves all the time; by what principle would it be unreasonable to sometimes hand some of that information back?

You are not "handing" them anything with an expectation of reciprocity, you (in most cases) willingly give up information about yourself to them in exchange for their free service. They don't need an "excuse" - you were as free to say "no" as they are to you.

I agree that in cases where others give up information about people they know there's no consent from the person (necessarily) but even that is between the person and their peers. There are people in my life who I don't share information with because I know how fast that information will spread if they know it; the kind of privacy etiquette required to respect people's privacy wishes will likely become more commonplace as it's made clear indexing organizations only know what people tell them.

I've been against facebook for some time yet even I don't agree with writers of sensationalist pieces like this. You have what's coming to you when you use third party services like facebook then complain about the imbalance of power they imply. Turns out the reason people who adamantly don't use those services do so other than just 'hipsterism' or whatever you thought were their reasons.

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post #70

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You are 100% correct about this. People have appeared on "People you may know" when I have absolutely zero connection to them other than I have chatted to the on What's App... I'm afraid I may have to stop using the service soon... was great until FB bought it.

> You are 100% correct about this. People have appeared on "People you may know" when I have absolutely zero connection to them other than I have chatted to the on What's App... Well, isn't it obvious though? Facebook owns WhatsApp and has access to both "social graphs". (Plus, it can also infer "people you may know" from people your friends in FB and Whatsapp know).

Did you think they were saying otherwise?

Re: Facebook Figured Out My Family Secrets, and It Won't Tell Me How

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> It was not a very convincing excuse. Facebook gets people to hand over information about themselves all the time; by what principle would it be unreasonable to sometimes hand some of that information back? You are not "handing" them anything with an expectation of reciprocity, you (in most cases) willingly give up information about yourself to them in exchange for their free service. They don't need an "excuse" - y…

> You are not "handing" them anything with an expectation of reciprocity, you (in most cases) willingly give up information about yourself to them in exchange for their free service. They don't need an "excuse" - you were as free to say "no" as they are to you.

You are not free to say no to facebook.

You do not hand your information to them, they take it. There's a reason they buy information from "data brokers", and it's because it include information you are not willingly giving to them.

Re: Facebook Figured Out My Family Secrets, and It Won't Tell Me How

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Accusing the current administration of openly supporting neo-nazi groups is political flamebait. You are certainly entitled to your opinion on how "serious" the situation is but I, (and probably others) would appreciate it if you kept the hyperbole and rhetoric minimized. Your original point stands fine without it, and in fact that accusation weakens your entire post and makes it appear little more than a simple trol…

Sometimes the truth is flamebait. Doesn't make it any less true. http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865686908/Sen-Mike-Lee-re... http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/346348-hatch-my-brother-d...

> Sometimes the truth is flamebait

"Sometimes the truth is X" is not a universally applicable maxim. If you really believe the above, you should probably look up what "flamebait" means.

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