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That "anti-COC" article is as anti-COC as James Damore's memo was anti-diversity. What it does is highlight how speech codes can be used by the socially hyperfluent to bully and dominate the less fluent, by placing an unreasonable burden on a speaker to have 100% prediction accuracy of every potential negative response. http://quillette.com/2017/07/18/neurodiversity-case-free-spe... That SJWs call it a strawman is ju…

James Damore's memo was anti-diversity.

There's a huge difference between anti-diversity, and anti-forced-diversity for the sake of diversity.

I don't see why this is so complicated, other than perhaps it seems SJW types can't fathom the idea that hiring managers are actually capable of talking to a person, getting to know them, and then capable of deciding whether or not they're qualified for the job without checking off a list of what should be considered irrelevant qualifiers.... Skin color, penis girth, propensity for future development of diabeetus, etc.

Also, it's quite clear that you didn't read the memo at all. Maybe the Buzzfeed condensed op-ed on it. Did he have some inflammatory opinions that maybe aren't correct? Hell yeah, but they're his opinions, he said a lot of other stuff that was entirely poignant, relevant, and accurate.

This yes/no true/false BS has got to stop. You don't get to hone in on somebody's one solitary opinion that might open up conversation to a "non-safe space", cry misogynist/racist/rapist, and then auto-dismiss the rest of their arguments like you've discovered some sort of irl Konami Konversation Kode.

That's terribad debating and awful human communication.

James Demore's firing really only proves that he was mostly right.

Re: Node.js is forked to Ayo.js (pronounced like “IO”)

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They're flipping out because of a tweet, and all it had was a link to an article against codes of conduct. "Additionally he discussed private information from the moderation repo in the public thread, which is explicitly against he moderation policy". I don't like such secrecy. What's going on in there? Wasn't community so important, why can't we know? So what if that guy doesn't like CoCs? It is fine for people to h…

While I definitely see where you are coming from, simplifying people's emotional reactions to things to "some people need to chill out" belittles their feelings in a way that isn't helpful. We can support folks who are being attacked unfairly (as @rvagg appears to be from a cursory review of the "evidence" against him) without belittling those who feel maligned.

Until you realize the same people that are crying out now have been doing this before. Kas Perch, one of the agitators,

https://twitter.com/nodebotanist/status/887724138516951049

used the same tactic against Crockford last year (Nodevember conf), also without any concrete evidence other than "he made me feel bad." If you go through regular tweets of the other heckers like Kat,

https://twitter.com/maybekatz/status/900414216888139776

they're breaking their own CoC daily, but that's apparently fine because hating on white/men/straight/christian is considered PC.

Why do you give these sick people lee way is beyond me. They are bullies and they should be recognized as such.

Re: Node.js is forked to Ayo.js (pronounced like “IO”)

#145

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I've faced this exact scenario a few months back when I asked some questions on Preact's Gitter. Pathetic. English is not even my first language, I swear I didn't know I'd be offending someone by saying "hey guys" :/

It seems that as much as Silicon Valley preaches about being inclusive, they have a strict american-centric view of absolutely everything. I'm also not a native english speaker and it feels like I'm walking on eggshells constantly.

Especially since in other countries, terms like guys aren't so heavily gender-specific.

Re: Node.js is forked to Ayo.js (pronounced like “IO”)

#147

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While I definitely see where you are coming from, simplifying people's emotional reactions to things to "some people need to chill out" belittles their feelings in a way that isn't helpful. We can support folks who are being attacked unfairly (as @rvagg appears to be from a cursory review of the "evidence" against him) without belittling those who feel maligned.

Until you realize the same people that are crying out now have been doing this before. Kas Perch, one of the agitators, https://twitter.com/nodebotanist/status/887724138516951049 used the same tactic against Crockford last year (Nodevember conf), also without any concrete evidence other than "he made me feel bad." If you go through regular tweets of the other heckers like Kat, https://twitter.com/maybekatz/status/900…

> They are bullies and they should be recognized as such.

100% agree. I've had to previously block both of these users you mentioned for harassment over Twitter.

It got to the point where one of them started taking out of context screenshots of my Twitter stream and attempting to rally other SJW twitter users to send harassing messages to me.

I did my own research weeks ago and found that Rod didn't do anything wrong. If anyone finds evidence to the contrary, please let me know.

Re: Node.js is forked to Ayo.js (pronounced like “IO”)

#148

Open a perfectly fine PR that fixes/accomplishes something but prefix PR comment with: "Hey guys," Sit back and watch as you're bombarded with threats and comments about being pro-rape, a straight white male and the like

In some languages (I'm saying about russian) there is a written rule for such statements: if just one out of the whole auditory is a guy, you must say "Hey, guys".

Re: Node.js is forked to Ayo.js (pronounced like “IO”)

#149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I definitely see where you are coming from, simplifying people's emotional reactions to things to "some people need to chill out" belittles their feelings in a way that isn't helpful. We can support folks who are being attacked unfairly (as @rvagg appears to be from a cursory review of the "evidence" against him) without belittling those who feel maligned.

Until you realize the same people that are crying out now have been doing this before. Kas Perch, one of the agitators, https://twitter.com/nodebotanist/status/887724138516951049 used the same tactic against Crockford last year (Nodevember conf), also without any concrete evidence other than "he made me feel bad." If you go through regular tweets of the other heckers like Kat, https://twitter.com/maybekatz/status/900…

So are they bullies that need to be stood up to or are they stressed out folks who need to chill? Given nothing else than what is here, I would err on reading those tweets as coming from a place of struggle, not a desire for domination. Folks being unable to follow their own rules when positions are swapped is true more often of these sorts of rules than one might expect.

Re: Node.js is forked to Ayo.js (pronounced like “IO”)

#150
post #148

Open a perfectly fine PR that fixes/accomplishes something but prefix PR comment with: "Hey guys," Sit back and watch as you're bombarded with threats and comments about being pro-rape, a straight white male and the like

In some languages (I'm saying about russian) there is a written rule for such statements: if just one out of the whole auditory is a guy, you must say "Hey, guys".

can you post a link to the rule, please
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