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VW engineering executive sentenced to 40-month prison term in diesel case

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Re: VW engineering executive sentenced to 40-month prison term in diesel case

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Here's a case where a guys boss instructs him to write code that lets the company cheat emissions tests and to keep quiet about it. I wonder if he's thought that it would have been far better to have refused, even if it meant losing his job.

Not only that, but the dude apparently cooperated with the investigators.

Fuck the judicial system in the US.

Re: VW engineering executive sentenced to 40-month prison term in diesel case

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I wonder if he could win a civil suit against VW and their role in coercing him down this road.

Doubtful. He made his decisions as an adult, fully aware of what was right/legal - he could have refused but chose not to.

Re: VW engineering executive sentenced to 40-month prison term in diesel case

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Here's a case where a guys boss instructs him to write code that lets the company cheat emissions tests and to keep quiet about it. I wonder if he's thought that it would have been far better to have refused, even if it meant losing his job.

I'm having trouble finding much information on this guy's role in what happened, but what I can find makes it sound like he played a big part in making the decision to create the cheating software. He's an "engineer" but was with VW for decades and was in a leadership role when this stuff went down.

Obviously he still has a boss, but I doubt the boss outright told him to cheat. Smart companies don't break the law that way. They just give their people goals that can't be met legally, while wink wink telling them that legal compliance is important, and let them figure out how to reconcile it.

Re: VW engineering executive sentenced to 40-month prison term in diesel case

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Not questioning his innocence, but will the executives involved be held to the same legal standard? EDIT: FTA > U.S. prosecutors have charged eight current and former Volkswagen executives in connection with the diesel emissions cheating probe. Liang is one of the lowest-ranking executives charged so far. > Another VW executive, Oliver Schmidt, has pleaded guilty and is scheduled to be sentenced in Detroit on Dec. 6.…

From the article:

"U.S. prosecutors have charged eight current and former Volkswagen executives in connection with the diesel emissions cheating probe. Liang is one of the lowest-ranking executives charged so far.

Another VW executive, Oliver Schmidt, has pleaded guilty and is scheduled to be sentenced in Detroit on Dec. 6. Under a plea agreement, Schmidt could face up to seven years in prison and a fine of between $40,000 and $400,000 after admitting to conspiring to mislead U.S regulators and violating clean air laws."

Re: VW engineering executive sentenced to 40-month prison term in diesel case

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Here's a case where a guys boss instructs him to write code that lets the company cheat emissions tests and to keep quiet about it. I wonder if he's thought that it would have been far better to have refused, even if it meant losing his job.

Not only that, but the dude apparently cooperated with the investigators. Fuck the judicial system in the US.

Given the typical pattern of cooperation and plea deals, I assume his cooperation was in exchange for lesser charges and/or a relatively lenient sentence, i.e. it could have been much worse without.

Re: VW engineering executive sentenced to 40-month prison term in diesel case

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Not questioning his innocence, but will the executives involved be held to the same legal standard? EDIT: FTA > U.S. prosecutors have charged eight current and former Volkswagen executives in connection with the diesel emissions cheating probe. Liang is one of the lowest-ranking executives charged so far. > Another VW executive, Oliver Schmidt, has pleaded guilty and is scheduled to be sentenced in Detroit on Dec. 6.…

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Re: VW engineering executive sentenced to 40-month prison term in diesel case

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Here's a case where a guys boss instructs him to write code that lets the company cheat emissions tests and to keep quiet about it. I wonder if he's thought that it would have been far better to have refused, even if it meant losing his job.

I dunno, I kinda feel like this one is pretty clear-cut: 40 months in prison versus losing your job...

It's easy to call this clear cut when you don't know that persons situation and what losing their job would have meant to them at the time.

Re: VW engineering executive sentenced to 40-month prison term in diesel case

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Aren't the ones in charge (e.g. executives, managers, etc.) responsible for the wrongdoing and not the workers carrying out the criminal activity? I'm surprised his lawyer didn't make a claim that he was just "following orders." There have been countless recreations of Stanley Milgram's obedience experiment and its results have been consistent. People are willing to obey and comply to authority figures, even if it's for a detrimental cause. Isn't it unlikely that the engineer acted on his own?

Re: VW engineering executive sentenced to 40-month prison term in diesel case

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The worker goes to jail? What about the exec

Every single boss that the engineer had ( all the way to the CEO ) should be go to jail for that if that engineer went to jail.

Why? Is Pizza Hut's CEO criminally responsible if I run a red light to deliver a pizza because I'm afraid of being late?

Edit: Please explain how the VW case is any different than my analogy

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