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The U.S. is risking an academic brain drain

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Re: The U.S. is risking an academic brain drain

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What is the point of this article?

They've claimed that the person in the article is going back home because he received no teaching offers. That's standard practice for foreign individuals on a visa in the US. You have to be doing something to stay here. We're not going to let you live here just because you felt like you wanted to.

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Other than the politicking going on in the article: "OMG TRUMP IS SO BAD AMIRITE?!" (Paris accord disagreement, etc) What I think up for debate is:

Should foreign contribution in the economy on a national level be considered fair and healthy for our economy?

My concern is due to depressed wages competing on non-equal levels causes more long term harm to the consumer and the businesses involved.

Re: The U.S. is risking an academic brain drain

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I don't see a brain drain happening. American academic pay is better than European/Canadian/Australian academic pay by too wide of a margin.

As far as politics goes, I don't think America is that much worse (if at all worse) than other high paying countries.

Re: The U.S. is risking an academic brain drain

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post #2

What is the point of this article? They've claimed that the person in the article is going back home because he received no teaching offers. That's standard practice for foreign individuals on a visa in the US. You have to be doing something to stay here. We're not going to let you live here just because you felt like you wanted to. --- Other than the politicking going on in the article: "OMG TRUMP IS SO BAD AMIRITE?…

To me it's less about visas and more about jobs. Why aren't their more research jobs? Why isn't the govt doing more to bolster research and create opportunity for talented minds?

Re: The U.S. is risking an academic brain drain

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post #4

I don't see a brain drain happening. American academic pay is better than European/Canadian/Australian academic pay by too wide of a margin. As far as politics goes, I don't think America is that much worse (if at all worse) than other high paying countries.

Canada is getting some great talent right now. Americans, Brits, and people who would have gone to the US or UK are coming here.

If we can keep them here, this will be a big boost for Canada long term.

Re: The U.S. is risking an academic brain drain

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post #3

The academic brain drain starts in middle school. Why are we pushing US kids into bankruptcy and importing brains who come with dollars?

Perhaps I'm too optimistic, but I think everything America needs to succeed and grow can be found right here in America. The problem is that it's sometimes cheaper to import foreign labor, or export domestic production.

Re: The U.S. is risking an academic brain drain

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While I don't feel that there is risk of brain drain because of the reasons listed in the article, I do believe there is that risk. To be honest, even though many European countries don't pay as much as the US for the same job, I found much more comfort around the ideas pushed in those countries.

The culture I found in Sweden for instance is one that is much better for the employees than the fast-paced top-gun style of programming expected in the US. Sure my peak will probably be 60k, but that 60k will also come with a much better social quality of life. That's the problem with the US that would risk brain drain in my opinion. Money attracts people, but treating them well will keep them and the US is starting to fall away from treating its workers well.

Edit: just think about this. Most Americans talk about how they have so much work to do they don't get vacation. Well in Europe you usually get your 2 weeks and in many countries you get 4 contiguous weeks without question. Couple that with better healthcare options, and yeah the US is not looking so great.

Re: The U.S. is risking an academic brain drain

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post #4

I don't see a brain drain happening. American academic pay is better than European/Canadian/Australian academic pay by too wide of a margin. As far as politics goes, I don't think America is that much worse (if at all worse) than other high paying countries.

Canada is getting some great talent right now. Americans, Brits, and people who would have gone to the US or UK are coming here. If we can keep them here, this will be a big boost for Canada long term.

Agreed. My neighbor (a Mexican national in the U.S.) who has successfully started many companies is looking for a place in Canada this week. His moving will be a great loss to the U.S. economy and innovation.

Re: The U.S. is risking an academic brain drain

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While I don't feel that there is risk of brain drain because of the reasons listed in the article, I do believe there is that risk. To be honest, even though many European countries don't pay as much as the US for the same job, I found much more comfort around the ideas pushed in those countries. The culture I found in Sweden for instance is one that is much better for the employees than the fast-paced top-gun style…

Yes, all of the above. Plus, those same sorts of policies keep the US employment rolls lower. More people would be employed if the full time work week was 30 hours (time and a half above that), for instance.
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