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Blacks and Hispanics Are More Underrepresented at Top Colleges Than 35 Years Ago

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Re: Blacks and Hispanics Are More Underrepresented at Top Colleges Than 35 Years Ago

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Post by fiter »

evanlivingston wrote: post #83
evanlivingston wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do think a fair system can't exist, but I'm very fearful of moving towards a libertarian meritocratic system that fails to consider many of the issue you bring up. There's a guy up above going hard on genetic IQ differences making a nuanced claim that higher IQs are more valuable and thus deserving of more merit. Is that a fair system?

Can exist

I see where you're coming from. I can get on board with that; we can address root causes before needing to remove these fixes/patches. Though I think we should keep both things in mind; perhaps the day can be celebrated when we can remove affirmative action programs.

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Post by Danihan »

jacalata wrote: post #85
Danihan wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It takes wisdom to know what things you can fix and what things you cannot.

If you don't think a fair playing field is achievable then why pretend you care more and are working harder to achieve it than others, instead of admitting that you're focusing your energy elsewhere?

A fair starting point is not achievable without everyone being clones, and very likely not even then.

I care more about equal opportunity than others, because equal opportunity means truly treating people fairly and in a standardized way at a policy level, rather than discriminating based on skin color, gender or ethnicity.

Re: Blacks and Hispanics Are More Underrepresented at Top Colleges Than 35 Years Ago

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Post by jacalata »

Danihan wrote: post #92
jacalata wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don't think a fair playing field is achievable then why pretend you care more and are working harder to achieve it than others, instead of admitting that you're focusing your energy elsewhere?

A fair starting point is not achievable without everyone being clones, and very likely not even then. I care more about equal opportunity than others, because equal opportunity means truly treating people fairly and in a standardized way at a policy level, rather than discriminating based on skin color, gender or ethnicity.

Equal treatment is in no way the same thing as equal opportunity or a level playing field. So you care deeply about equal treatment and think that a level playing field/equal opportunity is unimportant. I disagree, but you might have more productive conversations if you use the terminology correctly.

Re: Blacks and Hispanics Are More Underrepresented at Top Colleges Than 35 Years Ago

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Post by W3AVE »

W3AVE wrote: post #50

Being "underrepresented" speaks absolutely none as to the cause of such a state. I would be interested in more comprehensive data on college applications, and the acceptance/rejection of said applications.

gets negative karma for attempting to discuss thanks fam
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