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How did “Handbook for Mortals” get on the NYT bestseller list?

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Re: How did “Handbook for Mortals” get on the NYT bestseller list?

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During the article, I wondered what the writer's end goal was. Then I saw that she wants to portray the lead in a movie version, and I can only assume this will be some Neil Breen-level, awesomely-bad garbage.

Neil Breen, explained: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KolenE1GCyg (NSFW audio, probably NSFW video)

God bless both of you for introducing me to Neil Breen

Re: How did “Handbook for Mortals” get on the NYT bestseller list?

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post #22

Spike Trottman's tweets around this present some interesting points: https://twitter.com/Iron_Spike/status/900797323403554817 Mot notably: this has been used as a tactic to get books and comics optioned for films (which will make more money than selling books ever does), and the author is a no-name actor who - surprise! - is angling to play the lead in the film of her #1 bestselling novel.

How are movie options priced? Anything close to a "real options" approach?

Re: How did “Handbook for Mortals” get on the NYT bestseller list?

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post #33

"Buying your way onto the bestseller list is not technically illegal, nor is it that hard if you know how. Many CONSERVATIVE publishers have found success through bulk-buying books then giving them away as, say, subscriber gifts if you sign up to Newsmax or the like. " hmmm, conservative only? Biased much? Is the strategy of buying placement somehow undiscovered by publishers of liberal persuasion?

Yes, seriously. You're playing looser with definitions, but in the sense they used conservative, yes.

Re: How did “Handbook for Mortals” get on the NYT bestseller list?

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The NYT bestseller list has been a horrible indicator of what's selling for a while. You can often see well-known authors make the list weeks before their books are out due to massive orders by big box stores. A much better source are Indie Bound's Indie Bestseller lists: https://www.indiebound.org/indie-bestsellers . While still able to be gamed, these lists are compiled based off of sales by independent booksellers…

Handbook for Mortals is currently #4 on Indie Bound's Children's Interest Bestsellers list :/

Re: How did “Handbook for Mortals” get on the NYT bestseller list?

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I believe NYT has a bookstore list for reporting orders. This is how the best selling books make it on this list. The buyer (someone tied to the book) probably knew the store was on the NYT list and made a massive order. The NYT will need to tweak things going forward. Any store telling people they are on the NYT Best Seller reporting list should be removed from the list.

The story specifically mentions that there were suspicious calls asking if a store was a NYT reporting store, followed by bulk orders with no delivery date.

I was scratching my head because I didn't recall reading this. After dinner, I grabbed a glass of wine and I went back and read beyond the first 5 paragraphs plus the embedded tweets.You gotta do what you good do but don't get caught.

Re: How did “Handbook for Mortals” get on the NYT bestseller list?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the Ch\wrch of Sc\w+nt\wl\wgy What's going on here?

You can get into trouble if you speak ill of the Ch*rch in public. This hinders discoverability.

Fuck the Church of Scientology. I know they're nasty motherfuckers, but if nothing else they don't have the resources to personally mess with every person anywhere on the internet who speaks ill of them, not since Chanology multiplied that number by orders of magnitude. Don't let them scare you into censoring yourself, even in such a minor way.

Re: How did “Handbook for Mortals” get on the NYT bestseller list?

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According to the article: > Nowadays, you can make the bestseller list with about 5,000 sales. That sounds pretty cheap. For a book that costs $10-20 that would be $50-100K to buy your way in. I'm not sure what the margins for books are these days (particularly the split between publisher and retailer) but that doesn't seem that expensive.

5000 sales at a reporting store. So that probably represents 50,000 actual books sold since not every store reports. I think Nate Silver ought to do some work on this area; it would be interesting to read his analysis.

It represents 50,000 actual books sold if the demand is legitimate. If you make sure to only buy from reporting stores, it's only 5,000 actual books sold.

Re: How did “Handbook for Mortals” get on the NYT bestseller list?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can get into trouble if you speak ill of the Ch*rch in public. This hinders discoverability.

Trouble with who? The Church? I'm familiar with their weirdo bullying tactics but you can't really take them seriously - they have no power.

Their lawyers have power. They've killed people too, though that was years ago.

Re: How did “Handbook for Mortals” get on the NYT bestseller list?

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post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can get into trouble if you speak ill of the Ch*rch in public. This hinders discoverability.

Trouble with who? The Church? I'm familiar with their weirdo bullying tactics but you can't really take them seriously - they have no power.

Imagine a DDOS attack on your life. Don't underestimate the cumulative effect of fanatics with little individual 'power', intent on punishing you...
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