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I spent my career in tech, but wasn’t prepared for its effect on my kids

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Re: I spent my career in tech, but wasn’t prepared for its effect on my kids

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'One of my favorite things you can do is plan a “device-free dinner.”' _A_ device free dinner? Why aren't all of them? These weird little "small gestures" make me feel like people have lost control of their homes. We have a landline expressly to give out to emergency contacts. And dinner is tech free. Every night. I think the main problem is tech has made everything _else_ easier, but parenting harder, and parents ju…

"I think the main problem is tech has made everything _else_ easier, but parenting harder, and parents just aren't prepared to fight the battles / put in the work. A parent who is staring at Instagram when they're at the park shouldn't be surprised that their kids wants screens, too."

As a technologist who is in their early career, I love this sentiment. Too often do I see people blaming younger generations for an addiction to screens. The reality exists that parenting with the intention for balance will be what ultimate keeps children away from screens not blaming the industry as a whole.

Re: I spent my career in tech, but wasn’t prepared for its effect on my kids

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>beyond being able to have access to their parents at any time during the day // That sounds like anything but an advantage if you eventually seek to have children be independently capable and willing to rely on their own resources.

On the contrary. Being able to communicate with parents at any time lets them take more calculated risks and grow more independent. If I had a cellphone when I was a kid, taking the bus for the first time would not have been so terrifying.

>If I had a cellphone when I was a kid, taking the bus for the first time would not have been so terrifying. //

Isn't it being "terrifying" and yet you having the gumption to do it what builds your character and prepares you to take on things without having your hand held? You were relying on your self - your skills, your organisation; and not on your parents?

Re: I spent my career in tech, but wasn’t prepared for its effect on my kids

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I agree but some of these things sound like moral panics about black rectangles. I don't remember people shaking their heads at parents reading a paperback book at the park, or commuters reading broadsheet newspapers on the train.

But cellphones and these endless scrolling social apps that get our attention aren't really the same thing as books or even newspapers. They just seem to suck your ability to focus out of you and don't really give you back anything.

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Re: I spent my career in tech, but wasn’t prepared for its effect on my kids

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> I spent my career at Microsoft trying to imagine what technology could do, and still I wasn’t prepared for smartphones and social media

There is a certain irony in her opening statement regarding Microsoft's lack of vision in these two spaces. I think there a have been some unforeseen consequences of these but even when I was a teen, kids would spend hours each day on the phone, or on the computer playing games - some even online - or watching TV. I feel like the fundamental interpersonal dynamic really hasn't changed that much, and I say this as a parent of young kids and a friend of lots of parents with teenagers.

Re: I spent my career in tech, but wasn’t prepared for its effect on my kids

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I agree but some of these things sound like moral panics about black rectangles. I don't remember people shaking their heads at parents reading a paperback book at the park, or commuters reading broadsheet newspapers on the train.

But cellphones and these endless scrolling social apps that get our attention aren't really the same thing as books or even newspapers. They just seem to suck your ability to focus out of you and don't really give you back anything.

Sorry, that's not true at all. My phone provides the same services to me digitally that the analog world provided. It just does it more efficiently. I can read a book, keep in touch, learn a new skill, or research a topic all from the same device. That's an insane amount of value and I won't panic over using it because we didn't in the old days.

Re: I spent my career in tech, but wasn’t prepared for its effect on my kids

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'One of my favorite things you can do is plan a “device-free dinner.”' _A_ device free dinner? Why aren't all of them? These weird little "small gestures" make me feel like people have lost control of their homes. We have a landline expressly to give out to emergency contacts. And dinner is tech free. Every night. I think the main problem is tech has made everything _else_ easier, but parenting harder, and parents ju…

I think this is the one thing about technology I'm old fashioned about (I roll my eyes hard when people say stuff like "You should delete your Facebook account, you'll be better off."). If I'm eating food with someone else the phone goes away. The only exception is if in the course of conversation an easily googleable question is asked and both the other person/people and I are actually interested in the answer inste…

When my wife and I first started dating, I had to nudge her out of the habit. She wouldn't sit through a whole meal staring at her phone, but if she looked something up that had to do with our conversation, she'd then end up swiping through her various addictions and end up getting caught up (as I certainly do when on my own)†.

It wasn't a big deal to politely point it out and in time it almost never happened, or she would at least excuse herself to handle something quickly.

I think there can be a balance. After seven years, we will sometimes go out to eat and not really have much to say. Sometimes we'll sit in silence and watch the world around us or simply enjoy our meals and quiet company. Sometimes we'll eavesdrop on our neighbors.

Sometimes we'll whip our our phones and read whatever it is we read, even showing each other what we see... "Did you see so-and-so's new dog? What a cutie! Here, look" or "Take a look next time you're on Instagram". This might spark conversation about said dog, or our cat, or our workdays, or some other completely unrelated subject, or it may continue in silence.

And then there are plenty of other times when neither of us can shut up for hours, carrying on, barely eating, and forgetting we even have phones.

Our devices can obviously be unhealthy, especially the more addictive parts. But I think they can also be a healthy portion of our lives and relationships, provided our interactions are managed.

We don't have kids yet, but I definitely think it will be an interesting challenge to help them find that right balance.

† At our wedding, I urged my wife against writing her vows on her phone so she wouldn't end up swiping to buzzfeed in the middle of it.

Re: I spent my career in tech, but wasn’t prepared for its effect on my kids

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Its slightly ironic to me because I went much more to technology than my peers growing up because I had depression and social problems, not the other way around.

I think technology being so mainstream now means that the popular kids can now have a lot more online points (followers, likes, etc) just like in real life. Stuff happening on a screen is very frequently a lot more interesting than whats going on in a suburb - besides, you can't get social likes/currency if you're not online.

Re: I spent my career in tech, but wasn’t prepared for its effect on my kids

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I got Internet access in 1990 when I was 12 years old. Completely unfettered, unmonitored, unlimited in any way. And I wouldn't trade it for anything. Certainly many, if not most, kids would end up obsessing over social status and gossip and similar things. That has nothing to do with technology and absolutely everything to do with how they deal with their life in general. They're encouraged to avoid taking an intell…

> That has nothing to do with technology and absolutely everything to do with how they deal with their life in general.

With all due respect, accessing the internet today is nothing like what it was in 1990. It's like comparing apples to oranges. There's a huge difference between accessing a BBS with a modem and pulling an iPhone out your pocket and pulling up Facebook's newsfeed with a couple taps of your finger. These applications are designed to be addictive, and people's unfettered ability to access them anywhere enables their addictions. The physical and technical barriers that limited your access in 1990 are long gone.

Re: I spent my career in tech, but wasn’t prepared for its effect on my kids

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Technology does not care about human values.

People are downvoting you, but this rung true with me. Sure, technology is created by humans, but a lot of the reason I see people (kids included) "overusing" technology is social media.

Social media does not care for human values. It cares for growth/self-preservation, views/interactions, and revenue. This is fine for things like TV, which tend to be more opt-in, but when you're carrying around a device all-the-motherfucking-time that's constantly pulling your attention away from real experiences and real people to suck you into an addictive cycle of meaningless interactions, I would say that's dangerous territory. Not because it's doing harm per se, but because it steals attention from things in life that bring us real meaning.

Re: I spent my career in tech, but wasn’t prepared for its effect on my kids

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Look around in any restaurant these days and you'll easily see half of the adults in the room engaged with their phones at some part of the evening, if not most of it.

Be sure to judge them for that, too. This forum exists because of money spent by people on their phones all day.

The judging is for his/her own benefit and doesn't really have anything to do with the object.

"I'm a little bit better than that person because I can take an elevator ride without looking at my phone"

"Our relationship is better than theirs because we can get through dinner without looking at our phones"

On and on it goes... it's comforting, isn't it?

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