More like "because of Affirmative Action". Just treat people as fairly as possible. The other way doesn't work.
What other way? The one where some people have enormous structural disadvantages due to decades or more of discrimination? We agree it doesn't work, but many people get angry and defensive when we try and create systems that are fair enough to take this into account, like affirmative action policies.
Blacks and Hispanics Are More Underrepresented at Top Colleges Than 35 Years Ago
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Re: Blacks and Hispanics Are More Underrepresented at Top Colleges Than 35 Years Ago
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is the alternative that we play poker and after every N rounds the chips are redistributed so that everyone has the same amount? At what point(s) should redistribution happen? At what point(s) should it stop to allow better decision making?
There's your problem: you assume that redistributing every n rounds means that decision making suffers.
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#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Just treat people as fairly as possible. Wow, man, you just like, solved racism and discrimination.
Discrimination can't be "solved" because 1. People are genetically different and 2. Anyone can have biases about anything. I could shut down every interviewee with big ears, or beady eyes, if I wanted to. Again, all you can do is treat people as fairly as possible by basing admissions policies on merit and standardization, rather than sloppily basing them on perceived group identity.
Another ground breaking discovery! Everyone has equal opportunity in this world. Poverty, discrimination and access to quality education are completely fictional. Keep these thoughts coming man, I'm writing you up for the Noble Prize.
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#24Re: Blacks and Hispanics Are More Underrepresented at Top Colleges Than 35 Years Ago
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Just treat people as fairly as possible. Wow, man, you just like, solved racism and discrimination.
Discrimination can't be "solved" because 1. People are genetically different and 2. Anyone can have biases about anything. I could shut down every interviewee with big ears, or beady eyes, if I wanted to. Again, all you can do is treat people as fairly as possible by basing admissions policies on merit and standardization, rather than sloppily basing them on perceived group identity.
Re: Blacks and Hispanics Are More Underrepresented at Top Colleges Than 35 Years Ago
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
So give everyone the same number of chips; don't compensate by changing the rules so that a black straight beats a white flush.
Now translate "chips" into "systemic and generational advantages" and include detail on how to give everyone the same number.
Edit: admission to good public schools based on standardized tests instead of family real estate would be a good start
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#27Re: Blacks and Hispanics Are More Underrepresented at Top Colleges Than 35 Years Ago
#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
We're going to play poker. Everyone will start with a randomly determined number of chips. But people whose HN handles start with A-H will get, on average, 40% less to start with. Aside from that tiny nit, it'll be a totally fair game.
Is the alternative that we play poker and after every N rounds the chips are redistributed so that everyone has the same amount? At what point(s) should redistribution happen? At what point(s) should it stop to allow better decision making?
Re: Blacks and Hispanics Are More Underrepresented at Top Colleges Than 35 Years Ago
#29More like "because of Affirmative Action". Just treat people as fairly as possible. The other way doesn't work.
We're going to play poker. Everyone will start with a randomly determined number of chips. But people whose HN handles start with A-H will get, on average, 40% less to start with. Aside from that tiny nit, it'll be a totally fair game.
Re: Blacks and Hispanics Are More Underrepresented at Top Colleges Than 35 Years Ago
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
Discrimination can't be "solved" because 1. People are genetically different and 2. Anyone can have biases about anything. I could shut down every interviewee with big ears, or beady eyes, if I wanted to. Again, all you can do is treat people as fairly as possible by basing admissions policies on merit and standardization, rather than sloppily basing them on perceived group identity.
> Again, all you can do is treat people as fairly as possible by basing admissions policies on merit and standardization, rather than sloppily basing them on perceived group identity. Another ground breaking discovery! Everyone has equal opportunity in this world. Poverty, discrimination and access to quality education are completely fictional. Keep these thoughts coming man, I'm writing you up for the Noble Prize.