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Ask HN: How much do you save in the SF Bay Area with $120k salary?

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Re: Ask HN: How much do you save in the SF Bay Area with $120k salary?

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Make 110k, take home around 4800 month after taxes and maxed out 401k. Rent $1600 in SF (lucky here). But I still have over $2k month after all expenses. As a single person, I consider myself fortunate. People will complain about living expenses but they need to calculate the income - expenses plus what the area you want to live in. City living isn't always a viable option for people. Whereas some people love it. I d…

So how does that rent compare to the mean in the area, and what are you renting at that price? Because, as an outsider, that seems remarkably low (the averages for SF that I can find suggest 2-3k for a studio or 1-bedroom).

Also, how does the rest of your budget break down? Math suggests $1200/mo for all other expenses and I'm curious how that's allocated.

Re: Ask HN: How much do you save in the SF Bay Area with $120k salary?

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I'm going crazy trying to sort through this. Got a job offer with one of the big bay area companies. $140K base + bonus/stock to get to $210K. Doesn't seem like enough to move my family there from the midwest, so I'm about to say no because I can't make it work (while saving for retirement/paying for college/etc) on $200K per year? WTF?

I've lived in downtown SF for 5 years and as I type this visiting Nashville TN, as I am thinking about moving to Nashville. The biggest expenses to consider in SF besides the obvious housing costs: - Food + drink + groceries are way, way, way more expensive. There is no Walmart in the city. Get used to corner stores that charge a hefty premium. I miss Walmart and strip shopping malls. - Income taxes. Tennessee for ex…

Nice! We're just a few hours away. Visited during the Stanley Cup madness, they love their Preds. Knoxville is also a very cool place, both possible spots for us as well.

I lived (edit: in SF) for about six months a few years ago. One thing I did find is that liquor at SafeWay is way cheaper than it is back home, lol.

Re: Ask HN: How much do you save in the SF Bay Area with $120k salary?

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Unfortunately, you're not going to get an exact answer here, because everybody's lifestyle is slightly different. However, you can guess what's going to be the big changes in your budget. I think there will be 4:

1) Your take-home pay will change. Use a calculator for you exact number, but according to [1], a single person will take home about $6,400 / month.

2) Unless you live in Manhattan, your rent will dramatically increase. Like everywhere, there's a huge range. Want to live in Oakland with a roommate and bike to BART? You could probably find $1,500 / month. Want a new construction 2 bedroom downtown or close to Caltrain on the peninsula? $5,000 / month. Houses can easily run $8,000 / month with mortgage + taxes if you can scrape together the $300k down payment. Look around on Zillow and ballpark it.

3) Eating "nice" food out isn't cheap. There's plenty of good, cheap eats, but if you're thinking date night, it's easy to drop $120 for 2 people then go off and order half a dozen $8 beers. The high end is really bad -- there's a bunch of amazing restaurants that are $75 - $100 for 6-8 courses. If you're moving from a small city, these simply don't exist. This might be a shock if you're used to eating at "the best place in town" for a special occasion.

4) Depending on where you are in life, there's a bunch of family-ish things that can really eat up a budget. Dog walkers are $20 / day. Infant day care is $2,000 / month. Getting around is kind of a pain if you don't exclusively live, work, and play in the city, which can be fixed by giving Uber $25 / ride. And unlike other cities, there isn't anything that's remarkably cheap (e.g. when I lived in VA, groceries were like half the price I expected. It was great.)

Ultimately, though, a lot of people make it work. The networking and career attitudes in tech are unmatched (I moved from Boston at age 30), the weather is great, and it turns out that a bunch of my friends who I thought had disappeared had just moved out here and they all hang out.

If you're just in it for the money, it's a close call. Your best bet is to work out here between age 22 and when you have kids, then move somewhere affordable with the $5mil you made during that time. But that's not exactly why I moved here -- I've learned more in the last 2 years than I thought possible, and I've fundamentally altered the arc of my career. I may leave at some point, but I'm glad I moved out here.

[1] https://smartasset.com/taxes/california-paycheck-calculator

Re: Ask HN: How much do you save in the SF Bay Area with $120k salary?

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I spend $1150 on rent. $100 on utilities. $300 on food. $150 on transportation. Plus a few hundred for annual expenses of flying home and buying new clothes. Adds up to a little over 20k per year.

Plenty of families in the Bay Area earn less than $120k and get by. I feel very fortunate to earn more.

Re: Ask HN: How much do you save in the SF Bay Area with $120k salary?

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've lived in downtown SF for 5 years and as I type this visiting Nashville TN, as I am thinking about moving to Nashville. The biggest expenses to consider in SF besides the obvious housing costs: - Food + drink + groceries are way, way, way more expensive. There is no Walmart in the city. Get used to corner stores that charge a hefty premium. I miss Walmart and strip shopping malls. - Income taxes. Tennessee for ex…

Nice! We're just a few hours away. Visited during the Stanley Cup madness, they love their Preds. Knoxville is also a very cool place, both possible spots for us as well. I lived (edit: in SF) for about six months a few years ago. One thing I did find is that liquor at SafeWay is way cheaper than it is back home, lol.

Shoot me an email (in my profile), interested to chat.

Re: Ask HN: How much do you save in the SF Bay Area with $120k salary?

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nice! We're just a few hours away. Visited during the Stanley Cup madness, they love their Preds. Knoxville is also a very cool place, both possible spots for us as well. I lived (edit: in SF) for about six months a few years ago. One thing I did find is that liquor at SafeWay is way cheaper than it is back home, lol.

Shoot me an email (in my profile), interested to chat.

My comment suffered from a contextual lobotomy. I lived in SF for ~six months, not Nashville, sorry. :/

Re: Ask HN: How much do you save in the SF Bay Area with $120k salary?

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post #21

Make 110k, take home around 4800 month after taxes and maxed out 401k. Rent $1600 in SF (lucky here). But I still have over $2k month after all expenses. As a single person, I consider myself fortunate. People will complain about living expenses but they need to calculate the income - expenses plus what the area you want to live in. City living isn't always a viable option for people. Whereas some people love it. I d…

So how does that rent compare to the mean in the area, and what are you renting at that price? Because, as an outsider, that seems remarkably low (the averages for SF that I can find suggest 2-3k for a studio or 1-bedroom). Also, how does the rest of your budget break down? Math suggests $1200/mo for all other expenses and I'm curious how that's allocated.

Yea I have been spending a little too much. It's the moving cost and weddings I have been attending that are killing my budget.

Yea rent for studios are between 2k-3k a month. And I'm near downtown with only 20 minute walk to work. I live with my brother but if it wasn't for him, I still prefer to live with other people.

Again, depends on the lifestyle that people want. I know people who want their own place, have a car, maybe even a boat. They will have to work in places that aren't NY or SF.

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