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Billionaires and big ag are joining venture investors to fund lab-grown meat

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Re: Billionaires and big ag are joining venture investors to fund lab-grown meat

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Post by mmisu »

emmp wrote: post #25
mmisu wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it disingenous to call meat grown in a lab clean meat . Would you call Margarine clean butter ?

Why not? As long as its vegan margarine. Its clean of at least a subset of ethical concerns that many foods are not. Clean is a very overloaded word though so I certainly see where you're coming from, but it works just fine for me.

Calling meat grown in a lab clean meat is just a marketing gimmick that could potentially make people believe they eat natural grown meat.

Re: Billionaires and big ag are joining venture investors to fund lab-grown meat

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Post by rglover »

jseliger wrote: post #3

Beyond Meat gets name-checked in the article, but I want to emphasize that their burgers are pretty good: https://jakeseliger.com/2017/08/23/beyond-meat-burgers-are-p... and in my view underappreciated right now. If you've not tried them yet, you ought to.

Veggie burgers? Word. Lab-grown meat? Hell no.

Re: Billionaires and big ag are joining venture investors to fund lab-grown meat

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Post by gwern »

ethnic_throw wrote: post #13
gwern wrote: post #11

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> I love how highly, highly processed foods are suddenly A-OK to many people here once it's a fake meat product. Whatever happened to the concept of, "Eat real food?" People do usually eat 'real food' when they eat meat products. That's the problem.

That's an ethical problem, which is orthogonal to the fact that this fake meat is basically a soy hot dog in terms of nutrition.

It is most certainly not 'orthogonal' to the question of whether eating it is 'A-OK', it is the entire point for most people.

Re: Billionaires and big ag are joining venture investors to fund lab-grown meat

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Post by ggreer »

Danihan wrote: post #4
jseliger wrote: post #3

Beyond Meat gets name-checked in the article, but I want to emphasize that their burgers are pretty good: https://jakeseliger.com/2017/08/23/beyond-meat-burgers-are-p... and in my view underappreciated right now. If you've not tried them yet, you ought to.

I love how highly, highly processed foods are suddenly A-OK to many people here once it's a fake meat product. Whatever happened to the concept of, "Eat real food?" Full Ingredient List: >Water, Textured Wheat Protein, Coconut Oil, Potato Protein, Natural Flavors, 2% or less of: Leghemoglobin (soy), Yeast Extract, Salt, Soy Protein Isolate, Konjac Gum, Xanthan Gum, Thiamin (Vitamin B1), Zinc, Niacin, Vitamin B6, Ribo…

If fake meats had come first and animal meats were just now coming to market, people would make similar arguments about health effects... and they'd be warranted. With animal meat, one has to worry about salmonella, e. coli, staph, and other pathogens. These food-borne pathogens kill about 5,000 Americans a year and make millions sick.[1] Also, cooking meat creates carcinogens.[2]

If fake meats were as dangerous as the real thing, they'd be illegal to sell. Concerns about the safety of these new foods are pure status-quo bias.

1. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/meat/safe/food...

2. https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/d...

Re: Billionaires and big ag are joining venture investors to fund lab-grown meat

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Post by swampthinker »

ethnic_throw wrote: post #12
Danihan wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love how highly, highly processed foods are suddenly A-OK to many people here once it's a fake meat product. Whatever happened to the concept of, "Eat real food?" Full Ingredient List: >Water, Textured Wheat Protein, Coconut Oil, Potato Protein, Natural Flavors, 2% or less of: Leghemoglobin (soy), Yeast Extract, Salt, Soy Protein Isolate, Konjac Gum, Xanthan Gum, Thiamin (Vitamin B1), Zinc, Niacin, Vitamin B6, Ribo…

Is MSG considered an artificial flavoring? I was under the impression that it is both naturally occurring in biology and that its health problems are greatly over-exaggerated. Nonetheless, point taken.

MSG's health problems are greatly over-exaggerated. Ever had Chinese food? Most asian dishes have a ton of MSG.

Re: Billionaires and big ag are joining venture investors to fund lab-grown meat

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Post by mmisu »

KitDuncan wrote: post #29
mmisu wrote: post #20

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I guess it is a question of personal choice. I won't eat fake meat the same way as I don't eat highly processed food unless I'm forced to eat it.

Seems like a very close minded thing to do. Unless of course you're not eating meat at all. In which case I understand.

First if I eat meat or not is none of your business. I think it is judgemental to qualify a person that you potentially don't agree with as close minded. A close minded person is a person that can't accept that other people can have a different opinion.

An open society is a society that accepts diversity and doesn't try to shame people into conforming to a single way of thinking.

Re: Billionaires and big ag are joining venture investors to fund lab-grown meat

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Post by ethnic_throw »

gwern wrote: post #33
ethnic_throw wrote: post #13

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That's an ethical problem, which is orthogonal to the fact that this fake meat is basically a soy hot dog in terms of nutrition.

It is most certainly not 'orthogonal' to the question of whether eating it is 'A-OK', it is the entire point for most people.

Morally or nutritionally? These are two entirely different evaluations.

Re: Billionaires and big ag are joining venture investors to fund lab-grown meat

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Post by matthewmacleod »

dsego wrote: post #19
mmisu wrote: post #8

Highly processed food made in a lab has a big chance to have hidden side effects. I would not eat this until it is tested in the wild for a few years.

I think it's safer, probably harder to get mad cow disease or salmonella, don't you think? Also, today we get it from animals pumped full of antibiotics, hormones living in their own excrement.

Yeah, but that’s only true if you are buying shitty bargain-basement meat.

Re: Billionaires and big ag are joining venture investors to fund lab-grown meat

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Post by matthewmacleod »

KitDuncan wrote: post #29
mmisu wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess it is a question of personal choice. I won't eat fake meat the same way as I don't eat highly processed food unless I'm forced to eat it.

Seems like a very close minded thing to do. Unless of course you're not eating meat at all. In which case I understand.

It’s stupid to say that it’s “close minded” for someone to come to a different conclusion about what level of processing is acceptable to them.
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