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Exactly right. The one that came in conversation waiting for the eclipse was genetic editing of fetuses to eliminate inherited disease. Setting aside the whole 'designer babies' as a distraction imagine a company that give free genetic treatment for couples seeking to avoid passing on known bad genes. When you walk that forward and look at the cost associated with treating, diagnosing, and supporting people that late…
Why would you expect that treatment to be free?
A Thorium-Salt Reactor Has Fired Up for the First Time in Four Decades
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Re: A Thorium-Salt Reactor Has Fired Up for the First Time in Four Decades
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Or too much regulation or politics to allow. Or, as a German, too much regulation/politics to Get Shit Done. Just look what happened to Transrapid (maglev rail). All tech and IP went off to China, and we're stuck in 1980-and-earlier carriages for anything not an ICE or regio trains.
> and we're stuck in 1980-and-earlier carriages for anything not an ICE or regio trains. Actually, the InterCity and EuroCity fleet was just entirely replaced. This means the entire fleet – S, Region, InterCity, EuroCity, InterCityExpress – is now replaced, or being replaced, with modern stock.
Re: A Thorium-Salt Reactor Has Fired Up for the First Time in Four Decades
#43What I thought that wasn't possible? Or is this just the speed of light in water, so the particles are still moving slower than the speed of light in a vacuum?
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#44"The inside of the Petten test reactor where the thorium salt is being tested is shining due to charged particles traveling faster than the speed of light in water." What I thought that wasn't possible? Or is this just the speed of light in water, so the particles are still moving slower than the speed of light in a vacuum?
Good question! It's the latter - the shining is due to Cherenkov radiation [0], "electromagnetic radiation emitted when a charged particle (such as an electron) passes through a dielectric medium at a speed greater than the phase velocity of light in that medium."
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#45I am surprised they are using stainless steel instead of Hastelloy-N http://www.haynesintl.com/alloys/alloy-portfolio_/Corrosion-... The Hastelloy family of super alloys is basically stainless steel without the steel and was proven in the Oak Ridge MSR experiment.
> The idea is to stick to standard materials wherever possible and therefore the tubes are made of ordinary stainless steel. The suitability of steel remains to be determined. Corrosion may be a problem, and it is not yet know if it can be controlled by managing the salt chemistry. The high temperatures in MSRs might also be problematic, even if the pressure inside the system is low.
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> For SALIENT-02, a different material mixture will be used that contains beryllium, forming a mixture also known as FliBe. Further experiments will focus more on the interaction between the salt and the containment materials. Corrosion resistance is very important for those materials: they should be mechanically strong, and able to resist chemical corrosion and intense radiation. This corrosion resistance will be the next focus of the experiments with tests for 316 stainless steel, Hastelloy, the nickel alloy that ORNL used in the 1960s, and TZM – a titanium/zirconium/molybdenum alloy. Molybdenum has the potential to neutronically be much more attractive but there is no history of testing it at these temperatures.
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
Also those two do not believe in global warming. (One thing nuclear does not cause) It make take a long time for thorium reactors to come online but it is hard to believe anybody is going to fund the construction of a new large LWR anywhere outside China.
> (One thing nuclear does not cause) However, two problems remain: 1) where to get the raw material? African mines are not exactly known for adhering to human or environmental rights, also African mines, by nature of being in Africa, don't create American jobs. Same is valid for the other major sources of nuclear fuel, all of which aren't the USA. 2) where to dump all the nuclear waste? I mean, people have debated to…
As for nuclear waste, the real reason why the problem appears intractable is that nuclear waste is not waste.
The LWR gets only 2% or so of the energy in uranium, the same fuel could be reprocessed and used in fast breeder reactors to release the other 98%. In fact, it is the presence of plutonium and other actinides in spent fuel that requires environmental isolation beyond 500 years or so. If we use those actinides as fuel, they do not need to be buried, and if we do that, the volume of waste is vastly reduced along with the half-life.
The fast breeder/reprocessing route has not been commercialized as of yet for a number of reasons. Probably the most discussed is that plutonium, neptunium and other actinides useful for nuclear weaponry could be nicked from the reprocessing plant.
The thorium MSR is an alternate path to a breeder, aka a "thermal breeder". In the case of the MSR, the reprocessing is done online or nearline to the reactor. It is also possible to do thermal breeding with thorium with a modified version of the light water reactor. Reprocessing that is a bitch though...
The most immediate problem facing the industry is an inability to say "it is going to take X years and Y dollars to build a reactor" and then finish it somewhere near on schedule and on budget. Being over 10% would be no scandal, but it is still looking more like 10x than 10%.
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#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
Also those two do not believe in global warming. (One thing nuclear does not cause) It make take a long time for thorium reactors to come online but it is hard to believe anybody is going to fund the construction of a new large LWR anywhere outside China.
Great that thorium is progressing. I predict the debate about global warming will disappear once we have new power sources in place. Those who denied global warming will suddenly acknowledge it; those who berated the deniers will move on to other issues.
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#48https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_Reactor_Experiment
I don't see a pump seal test in this experiment... does anyone know if a solution to the SRE meltdown problem is known at this point? Perhaps the LFT chemistry would not have the issue.
Re: A Thorium-Salt Reactor Has Fired Up for the First Time in Four Decades
#49What did I just read?
Re: A Thorium-Salt Reactor Has Fired Up for the First Time in Four Decades
#50> charged particles traveling faster than the speed of light in water What did I just read?